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Fri 20 Aug: SL: Wigan Warriors v St Helens KO 19:45 (TV)


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17 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

Good to see the pundits highlighting this. 

That attack on Welsby is awful. He’ll be lucky to be seen again this year.

Phil Clarke indicated he might get 2-5 games. For me, I’d suggest he should be looking at 8 games minimum. The Welsby attack was arguably worst but the shove on Grace who could’ve been concussed was callous and the attack of Percival in the air was at best clumsy, at worst vicious. Then he had at least 2 more head high shots

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25 minutes ago, Chris22 said:

Agreed. The likes of Havard and Smithies are good players but are expected to lead the pack.

The equivalent player at Saints, Matty Lees, doesn't have that responsibility.

And questions must be asked of how inexperienced Wigan have allowed their pack to become.

We do have Clubb and Clarke but Lam would rather burn the younger players out. 

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3 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Phil Clarke indicated he might get 2-5 games. For me, I’d suggest he should be looking at 8 games minimum. The Welsby attack was arguably worst but the shove on Grace who could’ve been concussed was callous and the attack of Percival in the air was at best clumsy, at worst vicious. Then he had at least 2 more head high shots

I'd forgotten about the hit on grace.  Bin this lad for the season. 

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42 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Time for a clear out,starting with Lam & Radlinski.

Really feel for some of Wigan’s young forwards,they knocked their pans in last year getting us so close to a Grand Final win only to be let down by an abysmal lack of quality recruitment that has seen them having to try & do it all again and failing.

In my opinion Wigan should replace Lam immediately with O’Loughlin and Leuluai for the remainder of the season. It doesn’t make sense to carry on like this and although there aren’t many games left it might just kick-start an improvement.

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Wow, had Isa been on something pre match? can't ever remember 1 player guilty of so much foul play in a single game, is he still taking on board Mr Wane's words from a few years ago? what a numpty, surely his season is over, no doubt he will be defended by the Wigan fans as their thugs usually are.

I thought we were bad but that lot were atrocious!!.

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Just back at our hotel after the game (Posted on another thread just now) I have so much respect for Wigan as a club and for what they have achieved however from my observations tonight it is a club sadly in serious decline.

The fan base seems generally very old compared to other clubs (Although there are a few with similar problems) it must be hard having been able to see so many greats in the passed as now there are simply no stars.

We left just after half time my 12 year old is autistic and the language was so bad from behind us that my wife said if you dont leave now I will just take the car and you can take a taxi back to the hotel,i understand that passions can run high but when grown men are using the F word every 2 seconds its really quite awful.

We have an image problem which badly needs to be addressed.

 

Oh well off to Hull tomorrow.

 

Cheers 

 

Paul

PS/We went to Blackpool today which was totally depressing made Margate look like Monaco I hope the championship bash moves to York would be much better Blackpool seems to be full of drug addicts very sad.

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1 hour ago, ShropshireBull said:

A man up when you were cruising? 

Puts saints 3 scores ahead, and get the ball back, eats the clock and takes the edge off the fire. dont take the 2 knock on first tackle, wigan go full length and momentum changed with Wigan only one score behind.

The hull quarter (or was it semi) was a food example of the above

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18 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Just back at our hotel after the game (Posted on another thread just now) I have so much respect for Wigan as a club and for what they have achieved however from my observations tonight it is a club sadly in serious decline.

The fan base seems generally very old compared to other clubs (Although there are a few with similar problems) it must be hard having been able to see so many greats in the passed as now there are simply no stars.

We left just after half time my 12 year old is autistic and the language was so bad from behind us that my wife said if you dont leave now I will just take the car and you can take a taxi back to the hotel,i understand that passions can run high but when grown men are using the F word every 2 seconds its really quite awful.

We have an image problem which badly needs to be addressed.

 

Oh well off to Hull tomorrow.

 

Cheers 

 

Paul

PS/We went to Blackpool today which was totally depressing made Margate look like Monaco I hope the championship bash moves to York would be much better Blackpool seems to be full of drug addicts very sad.

Was you in the family stand?

If blackpool isnt your thing lytham is nice

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That was really frustrating to watch from a Wigan point of view. Not because we lost, which was expected, not because we struggling to score points, which was also expected, but because it highlighted just how much our experienced players let down the youngsters.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Joe Shorrocks is the most underrated player in Super League. He was one of the few Wigan players to have a good game tonight. His defensive effort was absolutely outstanding. There were sets when he looked like being involved in every tackle and he was making crucial tackles too. But that's the sort of battling performance you expect from senior players in a derby. That's the performance you'd expect from someone like Bateman. But instead our senior players were too busy getting sin binned for the dumbest of reasons.

Wigan didn't really stand much of a chance. That fact the ages of our starting pack were 20, 21, 22, 20, 31 and 20 says it all about how much we're relying on the youngsters. None of those players should actually be in their prime based on their age, although Farrell still is. One of the reasons we had such a young starting line up is because one of our most experience props, Singleton, was still serving a ban for an act of utter stupidity that got him a 3 match suspension, not long having returned from a 2 match suspension for an act of utter stupidity. Meanwhile our most senior prop, Clubb, was dropped because he was horrendous against Hull KR because he's been kept at the club for too long.

Senior players like Bateman, Leuluai and Powell have all had really poor seasons so far, leaving the young forwards to carry all the responsibility.

Lam hasn't helped things by keeping Bullock out of the side despite him being one of our better props. So the youngsters keep getting flogged while Lam makes some sort of statement to Bullock and Clark.

There were some crazy calls in that game - particularly the decision for Wigan to go for 2 while 6 points down. Not long after Saints score. Bizarre to say the least.

And of course, there's Willie Isa. Not satisfied by being a complete idiot in the last game against Saints he decides to try to go further. It's not even heat of the moment stuff, it's downright stupid stuff. He's consistently a liability in big games but for some reason Lam thinks the world of him. He's a player who isn't good enough in his preferred position, has done okay filling in at centre and yet is somehow deemed indispensable by club and coach despite the very obvious flaws and the utter stupidity that he comes out with on the pitch. But expect Radlinski to tie him up to a new 3 year deal because he's a really nice guy off the field.

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1 hour ago, GeordieSaint said:

Agreed. I’d always be going for 2 in that situation. The one a bit more baffling was Wigan gong for 2… hadn’t spent any time in the Saints 20 at that stage. 

Analytically it makes sense from what I've seen - typically takes 4-5 sets for a try, so the expected points per set is higher from taking the two. In practice it just screams lack of confidence, especially when you're the underdogs!  

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3 minutes ago, EagleEyePie said:

That was really frustrating to watch from a Wigan point of view. Not because we lost, which was expected, not because we struggling to score points, which was also expected, but because it highlighted just how much our experienced players let down the youngsters.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Joe Shorrocks is the most underrated player in Super League. He was one of the few Wigan players to have a good game tonight. His defensive effort was absolutely outstanding. There were sets when he looked like being involved in every tackle and he was making crucial tackles too. But that's the sort of battling performance you expect from senior players in a derby. That's the performance you'd expect from someone like Bateman. But instead our senior players were too busy getting sin binned for the dumbest of reasons.

Wigan didn't really stand much of a chance. That fact the ages of our starting pack were 20, 21, 22, 20, 31 and 20 says it all about how much we're relying on the youngsters. None of those players should actually be in their prime based on their age, although Farrell still is. One of the reasons we had such a young starting line up is because one of our most experience props, Singleton, was still serving a ban for an act of utter stupidity that got him a 3 match suspension, not long having returned from a 2 match suspension for an act of utter stupidity. Meanwhile our most senior prop, Clubb, was dropped because he was horrendous against Hull KR because he's been kept at the club for too long.

Senior players like Bateman, Leuluai and Powell have all have really poor seasons so far, leaving the young forwards to carry all the responsibility.

Lam hasn't helped things by keeping Bullock out of the side despite him being one of our better props. So the youngsters keep getting flogged while Lam makes some sort of statement to Bullock and Clark.

There were some crazy calls in that game - particularly the decision for Wigan to go for 2 while 6 points. Not long after Saints score. Bizarre to say the least.

And of course, there's Willie Isa. Not satisfied by being a complete idiot in the last game against Saints he decides to try to go further. It's not even heat of the moment stuff, it's downright stupid stuff. He's consistently a liability in big games but for some reason Lam things the world of him. He's a player who isn't good enough in his preferred position, has done okay filling in at centre and yet is somehow deemed indispensable by club and coach despite the very obvious flaws and the utter stupidity that he comes out with on the pitch. But expect Radlinski to tie him up to a new 3 year deal because he's a really nice guy off the field.

Great, honest post, enjoyed reading that.

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7 minutes ago, yipyee said:

Was you in the family stand?

If blackpool isnt your thing lytham is nice

VIP area:(

Blackpool sands were nice, and one of the piers  I understand its meant to be cheap and cheerful however we just observed that many seemed to be of their heads and there were many drug addicts about.

Not a nice thing for children to see.

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7 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

VIP area:(

Blackpool sands were nice, and one of the piers  I understand its meant to be cheap and cheerful however we just observed that many seemed to be of their heads and there were many drug addicts about.

Not a nice thing for children to see.

Yeah, Lytham is more family friendly, 

Sad to hear that about wigan VIP area although it must be bad to be dominated off your fierce rivals. Still no excuse.

 

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1 minute ago, yipyee said:

Yeah, Lytham is more family friendly, 

Sad to hear that about wigan VIP area although it must be bad to be dominated off your fierce rivals. Still no excuse.

 

99% were fine we were just unlucky to be sitting in front of 3/4 idiots.

 

Paul

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