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26 minutes ago, Gomersall said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2022-victor-radley-eligibility-mal-meninga-kangaroos-australia-team-selections-state-of-origin-eligibility-brian-too-samoa-eligibility-rules/news-story/7c993350bc45690a04b413414d8fccdd

Meninga and the article phrase that as wanting to do away with tiers for international teams, but all he's really saying is he wants the origin rules to be changed so that England and New Zealand capped players can be eligible for the state teams.

It wouldn't require IRL to do anything or the doing away with the tiers.

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Radley is 24 not 34. He was in the wider SOO squad this year. He would have played Origin last year without injury. 100% he would have played for Australia in the next few years. He has won back to ba

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The NRL or Australian Commission set rules for Origin - that is entirely up to them because Origin is their 'all star' game. IRL set the rules for internationals. The rules that have been se

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This is a top tier player, in his prime, legitimately qualifying (and comfortably, not even through a grandparent) choosing to play for England and sacrificing plenty to do that. Welcome aboard,

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1 minute ago, Barley Mow said:

Meninga and the article phrase that as wanting to do away with tiers for international teams, but all he's really saying is he wants the origin rules to be changed so that England and New Zealand capped players can be eligible for the state teams.

It wouldn't require IRL to do anything or the doing away with the tiers.

I suspect that the reasons might not be the stated ones there, definitely a pinch of salt idea.

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20 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

Meninga and the article phrase that as wanting to do away with tiers for international teams, but all he's really saying is he wants the origin rules to be changed so that England and New Zealand capped players can be eligible for the state teams.

It wouldn't require IRL to do anything or the doing away with the tiers.

Exactly.  Nothing in this whole conversation is about international eligibility.  Radley's international eligibility is clear as day.

This conversation is just about if he can play in an inter-state competition as well.

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9 hours ago, Wascally_Wabbit said:


Any foreign born player playing for Australia is more than likely a migrant, living in Australia, most have been here the majority of their lives, has Victor been to the UK? I suppose he may have went briefly with the roosters, but I’m not sure 

Semi Radradra?

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1 hour ago, 7723 said:

In your opinion.
 

I don’t think he is. I don’t think he comes close to Victor Radley. Knowles is a good player, but Radley is better.

Knowles is better in every way than Radley, I dont think its even close.

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Semi Radradra?

Dont feed them.. 

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migrating to the country is apparently fine but having a parent from one is not... even though the rules say it is, and the fact he could get a british passport if he wanted one (he may well have one).. theyre on a wind up, or just is not very smart.. either way its not worth it.. 

if you ignore them they go away apparently.

 

 

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1 minute ago, RP London said:

Dont feed them.. 

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migrating to the country is apparently fine but having a parent from one is not... even though the rules say it is, and the fact he could get a british passport if he wanted one (he may well have one).. theyre on a wind up, or just is not very smart.. either way its not worth it.. 

if you ignore them they go away apparently.

 

 

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Knowles is better in every way than Radley, I dont think its even close.

2-3 years ago Radley was better, but Knowles over the last couple of years has grown into a world class player. More to come from him too.

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3 minutes ago, dkw said:

Knowles is better in every way than Radley, I dont think its even close.

Given Knowles hasn't played either in the NRL or at test level for England against top nations, I think that is impossible to suggest with any certainty.

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2-3 years ago Radley was better, but Knowles over the last couple of years has grown into a world class player. More to come from him too.

Thats why Radley put his hand up for England.. he saw the difference it made when Knowles decided to play for England instead of Wales 

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9 minutes ago, RP London said:

if you ignore them they go away apparently.

I think of this place as like being in a pub.

There are loads of interesting people to chat to and have banter with - even if you don't always agree, you can have a laugh.

And then there is that one weird guy at the bar who always tries to drag you into a mad conversation when you go and order so you try desperately to avoid eye contact.

As soon as you recognise the people on the internet who you would avoid eye contact with in the real world - ignoring them is easy.

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5 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yes but when have two wrongs made it right?

around about the same time as people who live in glass houses stop throwing stones?

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1 hour ago, JM2010 said:

All I said was that I'm happy with players who have English parents opting for England but not grandparents or residency.

 

So you’re happy to have players who aren’t English playing for England 

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36 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Semi Radradra?


He was a bit of an unfortunate situation, although he had residency & it was thought he’d genuinely migrated like many, many Fijians have over the years, I can see him still coming back to Australia when he’s made enough money to rival the Fijian GDP 

Hes obviously got smart advisors, switching him to RU where he can laze about on the wing & preserve his body, hence playing until he’s 43

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55 minutes ago, Wascally_Wabbit said:

So you’re happy to have players who aren’t English playing for England 

I'm ok with players who have English parent(s) especially if they are potentially sacrificing future Origin and Australian selection as it shows they are genuine

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1 hour ago, DavidM said:

We’ve got Knowles and now we’ve got Radley , some want to argue who’s best. I’m just thinking in a WC tournament how good is it to have  both . It’s fantastic 

Yes, a kind of Sculthorpe, Farrell situation. You would do anything to get them both in the team not belittle one over the other.

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24 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Yes, a kind of Sculthorpe, Farrell situation. You would do anything to get them both in the team not belittle one over the other.

I think we have to be very careful not to try and shoehorn our best players into a 17 and play them in positions where they may not be as effective as players who play their regularly but may be as good in absolute terms.  Somebody has suggested Radley or Knowles in the 11 or 12 positions but I don't think they would be as effective there as our specialist options.

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43 minutes ago, JM2010 said:

I'm ok with players who have English parent(s) especially if they are potentially sacrificing future Origin and Australian selection as it shows they are genuine

I'm happy with the fact that if you qualify for a passport, therefore the country is happy to take responsibility for you, then thats ok by me.. (not the biggest fan of residency but still).. you could maybe make them have the actual passport but thats a technicality 

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I think both Radley and Knowles can be accommodated. Both could pose a problem as and edge forward, switching at various points of the game from middle to edge. Variety and mobility could be key.

Radley's presence will increase competition throughout the pack. Bateman, Knowles, Whitehead, McMeeken and now Radley. Also puts pressure on the likes of Batchelor, Smithies and Currie (and others) to continue to improve and push their case for inclusion.

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2 hours ago, Scubby said:

2-3 years ago Radley was better, but Knowles over the last couple of years has grown into a world class player. More to come from him too.

Knowles has had a good run playing behind easily the most dominant pack in the comp,Radley has played behind one that’s been decimated by injury & has struggled,I really can’t separate them.

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