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20 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

So many being Leigh ? , Explain desperation ? , Or in Leigh's and Fev's case ambition ? , I didn't realise clubs outside SL weren't allowed ambition to improve their position in the game ?

The way Leigh and Fev have been chucking money about you can see why people will see it as desperation. Do they know something we don’t?

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29 minutes ago, Liverpool Rover said:

The way Leigh and Fev have been chucking money about you can see why people will see it as desperation. Do they know something we don’t?

One of them (at least) has been chucking money away.

Not that that concerns me.  Provided that the stability of the club is not affected.

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32 minutes ago, Liverpool Rover said:

The way Leigh and Fev have been chucking money about you can see why people will see it as desperation. Do they know something we don’t?

That’s the Million dollar question. I don’t recall 2x10. 2x12 or one league of 14 being confirmed only that Keighley are promoted and Dewsbury and Workington are relegated. Even that can change. 
 

It is RL however, and Toulouse remaining in SL will give them stability if it went to 14 because I fear them going down the pan. They did 10 years ago and it would be a shame for a Huge City not to be included next year. 
 

Because I embrace diversity, 2 Pit Towns with Tradition (and they are not bad teams either) will also spice the comp up a bit because let’s be honest, Super League is currently ‘Super Bland’ !

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2 minutes ago, Snowys Backside said:

That’s the Million dollar question. I don’t recall 2x10. 2x12 or one league of 14 being confirmed only that Keighley are promoted and Dewsbury and Workington are relegated. Even that can change. 

No structural changes for next season has already been confirmed.

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On 30/08/2022 at 11:12, gingerjon said:

No structural changes for next season has already been confirmed.

IMG conclusions and recommendations   to be presented to clubs on 28th September at a special Council meeting according to RFL Chair.

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Just now, del capo said:

IMG conclusions and recommendations   to be presented to clubs on 28th September at a special Council meeting according to RFL Chair.

Interesting …

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5 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Interesting …

Chair summary of RFL Board meeting  on 31/8 certainly interesting . 

Around 20000 fans for instance responded to IMG  requests for input.

And the terms of the Governments monies put into admin threatened Worcester RU being raised / queried by RFL on behalf of our own pro clubs......

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9 minutes ago, del capo said:

And the terms of the Governments monies put into admin threatened Worcester RU being raised / queried by RFL on behalf of our own pro clubs......

I didn't realise any government money had gone to Worcester. That's a bit weird given the *allegedly* dodgy shenanigans with moving ownership and finances there.

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9 minutes ago, del capo said:

Chair summary of RFL Board meeting  on 31/8 certainly interesting . 

Around 20000 fans for instance responded to IMG  requests for input.

And the terms of the Governments monies put into admin threatened Worcester RU being raised / queried by RFL on behalf of our own pro clubs......

Have you a link to this?

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14 minutes ago, Damien said:

Have you a link to this?

Sorry Damien but I cant do linky stuff. 20th century IT only.

Circulated to all Council members at least and shared elsewhere.. Somebody on here will have it  and the skills to share.

Gubrats ?

Martyn will I am sure have it but may be saving it for his Trade press.

That reference to RFL and Worcester RU could well relate to Covid loans as well as Noreen Dorris'  department....Martyn has raised this on another thread

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3 minutes ago, del capo said:

Sorry Damien but I cant do linky stuff. 20th century IT only.

Circulated to all Council members at least and shared elsewhere.. Somebody on here will have it  and the skills to share.

Gubrats ?

Martyn will I am sure have it but may be saving it for his Trade press.

That reference to RFL and Worcester RU could well relate to Covid loans as well as Noreen Dorris'  department....Martyn has raised this on another thread

No problem, it just sounded interesting and would have loved to know more.

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8 minutes ago, del capo said:

That reference to RFL and Worcester RU could well relate to Covid loans 

Now that would make sense as all sports ended up having them in some way, even though we were first.

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45 minutes ago, del capo said:

Sorry Damien but I cant do linky stuff. 20th century IT only.

Circulated to all Council members at least and shared elsewhere.. Somebody on here will have it  and the skills to share.

Gubrats ?

Martyn will I am sure have it but may be saving it for his Trade press.

That reference to RFL and Worcester RU could well relate to Covid loans as well as Noreen Dorris'  department....Martyn has raised this on another thread

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I thought the img questionnaire was pathetic.  Would you like to see more international RL?  So if we all say will the Aussies sign up for an annual tour?  How many teams do we want in super League?  What is the point of asking me?  I have no idea on the financial stability of clubs or the media money so I will vote for 23 with 2 teams from France, 1 from each of Ireland, Canada, Ukraine (obviously) and Mars.  IMG must be laughing all the way to the bank.  Drivel dressed up as customer involvement.  How about asking people who DON'T watch RL as these are the people we need?  Asking the converted is just pointless window dressing.  Questions seemed to reflect the agenda of the clients rather than the desires of the customers.  If that is the case then it is flawed from the getgo.  If the answers reflect the clients wishes, great.  If not, ignore them!   Is my cynicism misplaced?  Time will tell.

Perhaps in the future it won't just be Saints, Wigan or Leeds who win the GF.  After all, they have only won the last 15 and every super League gf EVER has featured at least one of those 3 clubs. If my maths is correct, then 8 sides have won the NRL gf in the last 15 years. Some contrast?

Who do you like for this year's GF?  Saints and Wigan?  YAWN.  IMG will shake it up.  Next year my money is on Leigh v Wakefield.

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40 minutes ago, wiggler said:

I thought the img questionnaire was pathetic.  Would you like to see more international RL?  So if we all say will the Aussies sign up for an annual tour?  How many teams do we want in super League?  What is the point of asking me?  I have no idea on the financial stability of clubs or the media money so I will vote for 23 with 2 teams from France, 1 from each of Ireland, Canada, Ukraine (obviously) and Mars.  IMG must be laughing all the way to the bank.  Drivel dressed up as customer involvement.  How about asking people who DON'T watch RL as these are the people we need?  Asking the converted is just pointless window dressing.  Questions seemed to reflect the agenda of the clients rather than the desires of the customers.  If that is the case then it is flawed from the getgo.  If the answers reflect the clients wishes, great.  If not, ignore them!   Is my cynicism misplaced?  Time will tell.

Perhaps in the future it won't just be Saints, Wigan or Leeds who win the GF.  After all, they have only won the last 15 and every super League gf EVER has featured at least one of those 3 clubs. If my maths is correct, then 8 sides have won the NRL gf in the last 15 years. Some contrast?

Who do you like for this year's GF?  Saints and Wigan?  YAWN.  IMG will shake it up.  Next year my money is on Leigh v Wakefield.

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4 hours ago, wiggler said:

I thought the img questionnaire was pathetic.  Would you like to see more international RL?  So if we all say will the Aussies sign up for an annual tour?  How many teams do we want in super League?  What is the point of asking me?  I have no idea on the financial stability of clubs or the media money so I will vote for 23 with 2 teams from France, 1 from each of Ireland, Canada, Ukraine (obviously) and Mars.  IMG must be laughing all the way to the bank.  Drivel dressed up as customer involvement.  How about asking people who DON'T watch RL as these are the people we need?  Asking the converted is just pointless window dressing.  Questions seemed to reflect the agenda of the clients rather than the desires of the customers.  If that is the case then it is flawed from the getgo.  If the answers reflect the clients wishes, great.  If not, ignore them!   Is my cynicism misplaced?  Time will tell.

Perhaps in the future it won't just be Saints, Wigan or Leeds who win the GF.  After all, they have only won the last 15 and every super League gf EVER has featured at least one of those 3 clubs. If my maths is correct, then 8 sides have won the NRL gf in the last 15 years. Some contrast?

Who do you like for this year's GF?  Saints and Wigan?  YAWN.  IMG will shake it up.  Next year my money is on Leigh v Wakefield.

Based on what Forum members who've lived outside the British game's heartlands have said about their interactions with persons who fit the part of your post which I bolded, I suspect that they would fall into two categories.

The first would respond with something like "Rugby League, what's that?" and the second would say something indicating that they perceive RL as a small, downmarket regional sport with limited appeal and certainly not appealing to them.  If those are the sort of answers they'd get from surveying that group, what possible changes could they make within the limitations of the game's current setup in Britain which could conceivably break through that barrier?

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4 hours ago, Big Picture said:

Based on what Forum members who've lived outside the British game's heartlands have said about their interactions with persons who fit the part of your post which I bolded, I suspect that they would fall into two categories.

The first would respond with something like "Rugby League, what's that?" and the second would say something indicating that they perceive RL as a small, downmarket regional sport with limited appeal and certainly not appealing to them.  If those are the sort of answers they'd get from surveying that group, what possible changes could they make within the limitations of the game's current setup in Britain which could conceivably break through that barrier?

I do realise this question is cross coded , but I hope Martyn leaves it in 

What is your opinion of all the big city clubs in the RU Premiership ? 

Like Sale , Exeter , Northampton , bath , Worcester , Gloucester , and strange places like Saracen and Harlequin , there is a place called London , but they only want Irish people 

Just asking like ? 

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5 hours ago, Big Picture said:

Based on what Forum members who've lived outside the British game's heartlands have said about their interactions with persons who fit the part of your post which I bolded, I suspect that they would fall into two categories.

The first would respond with something like "Rugby League, what's that?" and the second would say something indicating that they perceive RL as a small, downmarket regional sport with limited appeal and certainly not appealing to them.  If those are the sort of answers they'd get from surveying that group, what possible changes could they make within the limitations of the game's current setup in Britain which could conceivably break through that barrier?

I suspect there would be a decent % in category 1, and next to none in category 2, because people don't hate UK RL as standard like you do. 

In my experience,  those 'outsiders'  who know about RL tend to respect it very much,  and aren't half as chippy as those who claim to like RL are. 

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On 30/08/2022 at 11:03, Griff said:

One of them (at least) has been chucking money away.

Not that that concerns me.  Provided that the stability of the club is not affected.

Only the one of them Leigh or Fev who fails to make SL this term could be deemed to have thrown money away, but if you had listened to Mr Beaumont at the end of last season he said he had 2 year plan to make SL, if it fails in '22 he is ready to go around again in '23 and already having signed a number of player's for next year his intension already seems justified, and Fev have already stated that there are a number of signings waiting to announced for next season irrespective of which division they will be playing in, so on that score I think you can alleviate your fears of either club's stability being affected.

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On 29/08/2022 at 13:23, watcherofRL said:

Totally agree about the self interest - only way would be IMG to be strong enough to strip the power from SL clubs and create a brand new set of regional clubs. It would mean clubs would need to be completely rebranded and in some instance moved from their small town to become part of a bigger region. 
planning needs to happen as if it is a brand new sport and the existing g clubs would then need to ‘fit’ the new model rather than continually trying to offer short term fixes that only really serve to keep the status quo as it is

Good luck with that one,

So I take it because of their location to one another Wigan, Saints and Warrington would be part of your brand new set of regional clubs, as would Hull FC and KR and maybe Leeds, Cas and Wakefield, all taken out of their towns to play out of some other location, HOW MANY OF THE EXISTING FANS DO YOU EXPECT TO LOSE?

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29 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Good luck with that one,

So I take it because of their location to one another Wigan, Saints and Warrington would be part of your brand new set of regional clubs, as would Hull FC and KR and maybe Leeds, Cas and Wakefield, all taken out of their towns to play out of some other location, HOW MANY OF THE EXISTING FANS DO YOU EXPECT TO LOSE?

At this stage it doesn't really matter. Stick with the current state and the game will slowly bleed out. 

It's 2022, Super League needs to reflect that. 

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12 hours ago, wiggler said:

I thought the img questionnaire was pathetic.  Would you like to see more international RL?  So if we all say will the Aussies sign up for an annual tour?  How many teams do we want in super League?  What is the point of asking me?  I have no idea on the financial stability of clubs or the media money so I will vote for 23 with 2 teams from France, 1 from each of Ireland, Canada, Ukraine (obviously) and Mars.  IMG must be laughing all the way to the bank.  Drivel dressed up as customer involvement.  How about asking people who DON'T watch RL as these are the people we need?  Asking the converted is just pointless window dressing.  Questions seemed to reflect the agenda of the clients rather than the desires of the customers.  If that is the case then it is flawed from the getgo.  If the answers reflect the clients wishes, great.  If not, ignore them!   Is my cynicism misplaced?  Time will tell.

Perhaps in the future it won't just be Saints, Wigan or Leeds who win the GF.  After all, they have only won the last 15 and every super League gf EVER has featured at least one of those 3 clubs. If my maths is correct, then 8 sides have won the NRL gf in the last 15 years. Some contrast?

Who do you like for this year's GF?  Saints and Wigan?  YAWN.  IMG will shake it up.  Next year my money is on Leigh v Wakefield.

Actually i’d day its right to ask existing fans, the games been haemorrhageing   Fans the last few years, i saw an old friend last night  a Cas fan, says he’s hardly been for 5 years, and i know  plenty others including myself with are the same, and its seems to be the same issues, bad leader ship from RFL, format changes, loop fixtures, the middle 8 concept, poor refereeing stds, lack of stability. 
so yes the question of formats needs to be asked and why are former hardcore fans walking away. 

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The positive things about the IMG survey is that it did ask about the things that are the talking points,  so it does appear that they are hearing what is being said. 

I suspect there are people pushing the 2 x 10 agenda,  and they are trying to knock it on the head with data from a survey that shows that fans don't like the idea and loop fixtures overall,  which would kill 2 x 10.

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4 minutes ago, Live after death said:

Actually i’d day its right to ask existing fans, the games been haemorrhageing   Fans the last few years, i saw an old friend last night  a Cas fan, says he’s hardly been for 5 years, and i know  plenty others including myself with are the same, and its seems to be the same issues, bad leader ship from RFL, format changes, loop fixtures, the middle 8 concept, poor refereeing stds, lack of stability. 
so yes the question of formats needs to be asked and why are former hardcore fans walking away. 

Surely if the game on the pitch is exciting enough and the experience at the ground is good fans wouldn't worry about the stuff you mention.

I mean I don't and of course maybe others do think before I put me shoes and coat on to go a game... I don't like the RFL leadership, etc etc etc...

Yes of course we all have opinions and not everyone's opinion will be the same and hence no one view.

Surely its the game on the pitch and the stadium experience that is a starting point.

 

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3 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

I do realise this question is cross coded , but I hope Martyn leaves it in 

What is your opinion of all the big city clubs in the RU Premiership ? 

Like Sale , Exeter , Northampton , bath , Worcester , Gloucester , and strange places like Saracen and Harlequin , there is a place called London , but they only want Irish people 

Just asking like ? 

You can even do it for the Premier League (let alone the rest of football).

Where's Everton? Aston? Tottenham, Chelsea, Fulham Brentford and West Ham?

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