Ridiculous

[Mumby Magic]

Surely each division could/should secure TV and sponsorship rights and that could be separated. Money from Internationals should be handed down accordingly through the divisions. However that would benefit WWR, Crusaders, Cats and Toulouse more.

[Harry Stottle]

18 hours ago, yipyee said:

CF is a myth in RL.

In other sports (union for example) CF is profit from national team etc.

Our national team never plays and doesn't generate profit. The CC has a shrinking profit year on year partly down to magic.

The money generated from SKY is to televise the top division. The last TV deal was for all 3 divisions so the money was shared between 3 divisions. The TV deal is now for SL only and as such the funds quite rightly are distributed between these sides.

 

Well Toulouse are going to be stuffed then - even with a parachute payment - if they do not get any funding and still have to pay the travel costs for the visit of 13 Championship teams,  I have seen that they are discarding about 10 player's, so with expected even less attendances than they got this season how are they going to replace them with the required quality to go straight back up, I believe that Fev have already started the push for it's roster for next season irrespective of which division they will be in.

[Derwent Parker]

2 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Yep, well upwards of £3 million a season was going into the Championship and League 1. The vast vast majority of that to teams at the top of the Championship. 

£3M divided by 25 teams? and you have already stated most of that goes to top few Champ teams and Parachute payment to rescue the  SG team that failed - WOW that,s fair when each SG team got almost £2M each.

 

[Tommygilf]

7 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said:

£3M divided by 25 teams? and you have already stated most of that goes to top few Champ teams and Parachute payment to rescue the  SG team that failed - WOW that,s fair when each SG team got almost £2M each.

 

£1 million to League 1, who currently now get barely a third of what they did then, across fewer teams. 

Over £2 million a season to 12 teams in the Championship, starting at £125k and maxing out at over £800k up the sliding scale, really wasn't a bad deal at all for a comp no broadcasters pay anything significant for now. 

[Derwent Parker]

14 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

£1 million to League 1, who currently now get barely a third of what they did then, across fewer teams. 

Over £2 million a season to 12 teams in the Championship, starting at £125k and maxing out at over £800k up the sliding scale, really wasn't a bad deal at all for a comp no broadcasters pay anything significant for now. 

Yes 2M divided by 12 teams for champ whereas 2M for "EACH" of the 12 SG teams - how can lower league teams compete with that?

Elstone was right SG should have F@@@ed @ff with all the cash and gone on their own and left the rest to run an honest fair league.

And SG should have been made to pay transfer money etc, to take players from the Rest of the RFL leagues.

And when sky eventually pulled the plug on SG they should have been refused entry back into RL.

GREED is an abhorrence.

[Tommygilf]

1 minute ago, Derwent Parker said:

Yes 2M divided by 12 teams for champ whereas 2M for "EACH" of the 12 SG teams - how can lower league teams compete with that?

Elstone was right SG should have F@@@ed @ff with all the cash and gone on their own and left the rest to run an honest fair league.

And SG should have been made to pay transfer money etc, to take players from the Rest of the RFL leagues.

And when sky eventually pulled the plug on SG they should have been refused entry back into RL.

GREED is an abhorrence.

They have taken their money and now the Championship or League 1 doesn't have a paying TV deal anything like what it used to. 

Sky haven't pulled the plug on Super League.

Lower league teams don't compete with Super League teams; that is rather the point of having separate leagues in the first place. So why would they get money that Super League clubs earn from televising Super League matches? 

After all, we are not communists.

[Davo5]

I see the deluded jam eater is back,thankfully the schools are back next week.

[wilsontown]

What is this thread even about at this point?

[idrewthehaggis]

9 hours ago, gingerjon said:

We don’t have more money to filter down though.

The  hope is that the IMG consultation will see this and recommend practical ways to increase revenue and to rationalise aspects of the Game as well.

For example, revenue streams could be a proper international calendar, 7/9s tournaments. Rationalisation could be regional rather than club academies, collective contracts, communications or sponsorship. 

It is possible to make a difference. Whether our elite club owners will accept it is another thing. Which leads us back to poor old Toulouse paying for Bradford's Megabus to France.

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by idrewthehaggis

[yipyee]

11 hours ago, Fevrover said:

So the rest of the teams below SL can go to hell ?

No, just that the last TV deal the lower divisions rights were included, now this isn't the case.

Maybe you should go to work and give me a cut of your wages?? Thought not.

 

[yipyee]

5 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Well Toulouse are going to be stuffed then - even with a parachute payment - if they do not get any funding and still have to pay the travel costs for the visit of 13 Championship teams,  I have seen that they are discarding about 10 player's, so with expected even less attendances than they got this season how are they going to replace them with the required quality to go straight back up, I believe that Fev have already started the push for it's roster for next season irrespective of which division they will be in.

The players leaving would have left anyway. They will be ok

[Harry Stottle]

7 hours ago, yipyee said:

The players leaving would have left anyway. They will be ok

That was not the question.

[DOGFATHER]

11 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

They have taken their money and now the Championship or League 1 doesn't have a paying TV deal anything like what it used to. 

Sky haven't pulled the plug on Super League.

Lower league teams don't compete with Super League teams; that is rather the point of having separate leagues in the first place. So why would they get money that Super League clubs earn from televising Super League matches? 

After all, we are not communists.

Very true, but the further away the lower divisions are from SL standards, means development opportunities for younger players to get them SL ready decreases.

Which long term equates to lower standards in the top division.

The decrease in quality means less interest in the game as a whole, fewer spectators, and less money for future TV deals until there is so little interest, the game ends up back where it started, as a semi pro sport. 

It isn't rocket science!

[Harry Stottle]

56 minutes ago, DOGFATHER said:

Very true, but the further away the lower divisions are from SL standards, means development opportunities for younger players to get them SL ready decreases.

Which long term equates to lower standards in the top division.

The decrease in quality means less interest in the game as a whole, fewer spectators, and less money for future TV deals until there is so little interest, the game ends up back where it started, as a semi pro sport. 

It isn't rocket science!

To right Dogfather, a lot of people just simply have no idea what damage will be done to the sport if SL say bye bye to the Championship and L1.

If SL want to undermine the foundations they do so at their own risk and eventually the building will start tottering and come crashing down.

The last statement from @Tommygilf "after all we are not communists" just typifies the ignorance and insular thinking that so many people have.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Harry Stottle

[Harry Stottle]

Sorry, guys about turn with those last 2 posts, it is @Tommygilf not the @DOGFATHERwho is the insular one, I quoted the wrong one.

[Harry Stottle]

12 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

After all, we are not communists.

Very correct, I thought that Rugby League was supposed to be more like a family who help each other out, only when it suits I guess?

[Davo5]

2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Very correct, I thought that Rugby League was supposed to be more like a family who help each other out, only when it suits I guess?

Can’t recall you or your club denouncing the unfair & unequal funding when you were received hundreds of thousands more funding than other Championship clubs,only when it suits eh.

[Harry Stottle]

3 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Can’t recall you or your club denouncing the unfair & unequal funding when you were received hundreds of thousands more funding than other Championship clubs,only when it suits eh.

Prize money Dav, 

Anyway it doesn't seem that you have too many feelings for your local team as long as your chosen one will benefit from keeping all the funding, after all it was "Your" Chairman who first suggested that SL should keep all the funding and feck the rest.

[Davo5]

1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Prize money Dav, 

Anyway it doesn't seem that you have too many feelings for your local team as long as your chosen one will benefit from keeping all the funding, after all it was "Your" Chairman who first suggested that SL should keep all the funding and feck the rest.

Ah the old Harry hypocrisy 

[Fevrover]

9 hours ago, yipyee said:

No, just that the last TV deal the lower divisions rights were included, now this isn't the case.

Maybe you should go to work and give me a cut of your wages?? Thought not.

 

It's supposed to be RUGBY-LEAGUE not just SL is it not ? Where will SL get there players from  in England if bottom 2 tiers goes belly up? Can't get them all from Australia and New Zealand.

[Davo5]

22 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

It's supposed to be RUGBY-LEAGUE not just SL is it not ? Where will SL get there players from  in England if bottom 2 tiers goes belly up? Can't get them all from Australia and New Zealand.

From the community game via their academies where they currently get most of their players.

I’m not doubting that the lower 2 divisions,like the community game is underfunded,but to receive the same funding as each Superleague club is ridiculous,we currently have the leading Championship side receiving a large sum of funding filling their squad with expensive imports.

[Harry Stottle]

46 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Ah the old Harry hypocrisy 

All clubs in the Championship recieved the same funding, extra is given for the position they finish in.

If it is the second paragraph that upsets you let me just give you a quote from the Wigan Observer by Mr Leneghan :-

 

I’ve chosen to spend quite a bit of money on Wigan, as Simon Moran has at Warrington.

“But our focus should be on Super League, in that the money which comes in from broadcasting, should stay in Super League - and we would have a healthier game because of it.”

NO we would have a healthier SL, which in effect is like I said "feck the rest" if he thinks that withholding funding from below SL would have no detrimental effect on the game he must be thick, not for one moment do I believe that, so it must be that he does not care for the game as a whole just as long as he is OK.

[Damien]

47 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

It's supposed to be RUGBY-LEAGUE not just SL is it not ? Where will SL get there players from  in England if bottom 2 tiers goes belly up? Can't get them all from Australia and New Zealand.

Amateur Rugby League as now. The same place the bottom 2 tiers get players from.

I think few, if anyone, is arguing that the bottom tiers should be denied funding. However that funding certainly shouldn't be equal across 35 teams as per the argument on this thread. I am more than happy for the Championship and League 1 clubs to get funding but that funding should be at a sustainable part time level with equal funding between all teams in the same league.

[JohnM]

13 hours ago, Derwent Parker said:

Yes 2M divided by 12 teams for champ whereas 2M for "EACH" of the 12 SG teams - how can lower league teams compete with that?

Elstone was right SG should have F@@@ed @ff with all the cash and gone on their own and left the rest to run an honest fair league.

And SG should have been made to pay transfer money etc, to take players from the Rest of the RFL leagues.

And when sky eventually pulled the plug on SG they should have been refused entry back into RL.

GREED is an abhorrence.

Leigh and Featherstone seem to be managing it.

[devonhawk]

On 28/08/2022 at 19:41, Mr Frisky said:

Its the equivalent in Football of a team beating an other say 9-0, and you would never see a result in top flight Football in either England or Scotland- your correct it shows how bad our sport is compared to other top sports........

Being a Dundee United supporter I had got over that with Jack Ross being sacked and us beating Livingston last night. So thanks for bringing back the pain 🫣