HIA and the GF

[Gomersall]

Seeing as a player who fails a HIA in the play off semi has to sit out for 11 days is there a possibility the GF could, in future, be played two weeks after the semis to prevent a player being denied what may be his only opportunity to play in a GF? Thoughts.

[Jughead]

No, arranging games around possible injuries is daft. 

[paul hicks]

just go back to the 7 days stand down

[Gomersall]

2 hours ago, Jughead said:

No, arranging games around possible injuries is daft. 

But which other injuries have a mandatory 11 day stand down period?

[Jughead]

31 minutes ago, Gomersall said:

But which other injuries have a mandatory 11 day stand down period?

And which sport arranges fixtures based on injuries that might not happen?

[LeeF]

1 hour ago, paul hicks said:

just go back to the 7 days stand down

Bearing in mind the current known issues surrounding concussion within the game on what sound scientific basis are you recommending 7 days?

[Damien]

No chance as it extends an already crammed season and eats into the international window. I don't think a 2 week delay is good from a build up point of view either.

[bobbruce]

3 hours ago, Gomersall said:

Seeing as a player who fails a HIA in the play off semi has to sit out for 11 days is there a possibility the GF could, in future, be played two weeks after the semis to prevent a player being denied what may be his only opportunity to play in a GF? Thoughts.

Yes I think that’s a good shout it would be a real shame if players had to miss out especially through foul play. 

[bobbruce]

1 hour ago, paul hicks said:

just go back to the 7 days stand down

Against medical advice which I assume they are following. 

[Pie tries]

3 hours ago, Gomersall said:

Seeing as a player who fails a HIA in the play off semi has to sit out for 11 days is there a possibility the GF could, in future, be played two weeks after the semis to prevent a player being denied what may be his only opportunity to play in a GF? Thoughts.

No. Just got to suck it up, world has rightly move on re injuries

[Leyther_Matt]

I think a 2 week gap would actually be helpful from a crowd point of view too as it would give people that little bit more time to organise travel etc. In fact oddly enough my mate made this exact suggestion to me earlier today 

[Anita Bath]

2 hours ago, LeeF said:

Bearing in mind the current known issues surrounding concussion within the game on what sound scientific basis are you recommending 7 days?

On what scientific basis is the 11 days based?

[LeeF]

34 minutes ago, Anita Bath said:

On what scientific basis is the 11 days based?

Medical evidence as advised to the RFL I seem to recall but if you know better then please enlighten me & everyone else 

[Anita Bath]

10 hours ago, LeeF said:

Medical evidence as advised to the RFL I seem to recall but if you know better then please enlighten me & everyone else 

Maybe we could be provided with the medical evidence….or is it commercial in confidence?.There is no magic number 11. Some doc they pay has been asked for his/her opinion and they said 11. Medical opinion is not medical evidence.

The longer you go without playing the better but the idea there is some magic cut off above which is safe and below which is not is complete bunk. So why 11?

[gingerjon]

6 minutes ago, Anita Bath said:

Maybe we could be provided with the medical evidence….or is it commercial in confidence?.There is no magic number 11. Some doc they pay has been asked for his/her opinion and they said 11. Medical opinion is not medical evidence.

The longer you go without playing the better but the idea there is some magic cut off above which is safe and below which is not is complete bunk. So why 11?

Professor Ben Jones, who seems to the RFL's lead contact on this, is easily contactable.

You could ask him.

[LeeF]

19 minutes ago, Anita Bath said:

Maybe we could be provided with the medical evidence….or is it commercial in confidence?.There is no magic number 11. Some doc they pay has been asked for his/her opinion and they said 11. Medical opinion is not medical evidence.

The longer you go without playing the better but the idea there is some magic cut off above which is safe and below which is not is complete bunk. So why 11?

Because, as you admit, the RFL have taken professional medical advice and settled at 11 days that opinion being based in evidence and research. If that advice changes over time as more knowledge is accrued, just like with other medical conditions, and it moves to 14 or 7 I have no problems or issues. However, it’s not your place, or mine, to demand a reduction now to 7 to suit a particular set of circumstances without a very strong supporting case which clearly you don’t have

[Eddie]

12 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

I think a 2 week gap would actually be helpful from a crowd point of view too as it would give people that little bit more time to organise travel etc. In fact oddly enough my mate made this exact suggestion to me earlier today 

Tbf you’re talking about a short journey along the M62 or an hour on the train, it’s not difficult for RL fans in this country to organise travel. 

[Leyther_Matt]

4 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Tbf you’re talking about a short journey along the M62 or an hour on the train, it’s not difficult for RL fans in this country to organise travel. 

It is still a pain in the proverbial to get coaches booked etc never mind the state of trains in this country. The week in between could be used as a charm offensive with players/coaches doing media stuff, appear on game shows or whatever. 

[Bostik Bailey]

13 hours ago, bobbruce said:

Yes I think that’s a good shout it would be a real shame if players had to miss out especially through foul play. 

What is someone had a broken bone through foul play do we player the GF months later?

[Gomersall]

2 minutes ago, Bostik Bailey said:

What is someone had a broken bone through foul play do we player the GF months later?

As I pointed out earlier only head injuries have a mandatory stand down period enforced by the governing body. If a player wants to ignore medical advice and return from a broken bone earlier than advised he can. He can’t do that with a head injury. 

[RayCee]

12 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

I think a 2 week gap would actually be helpful from a crowd point of view too as it would give people that little bit more time to organise travel etc. In fact oddly enough my mate made this exact suggestion to me earlier today 

Nice to know you and Gomersall are mates. 

[bobbruce]

9 minutes ago, Bostik Bailey said:

What is someone had a broken bone through foul play do we player the GF months later?

No but we don’t effectively ban players with a broken nose either. 

[Anita Bath]

2 hours ago, LeeF said:

Because, as you admit, the RFL have taken professional medical advice and settled at 11 days that opinion being based in evidence and research. If that advice changes over time as more knowledge is accrued, just like with other medical conditions, and it moves to 14 or 7 I have no problems or issues. However, it’s not your place, or mine, to demand a reduction now to 7 to suit a particular set of circumstances without a very strong supporting case which clearly you don’t have

I havent demanded a reduction to 7, I have asked for the scientific evidence (strong supporting case) for 11. Lets see if there is any.

[LeeF]

43 minutes ago, Anita Bath said:

I havent demanded a reduction to 7, I have asked for the scientific evidence (strong supporting case) for 11. Lets see if there is any.

As others have posted it’s all out there. Just approach the specialists and they will explain. Plenty of interaction on Twitter and links to good articles on the subject. I’m struggling to understand why you are so sceptical. 

[bobbruce]

57 minutes ago, V02 said:

Both - he was already ruled out the minute he was unconscious. 

I thought that had been corrected and he isn’t ruled out.