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The case for two-point field-goals

Martyn Sadler

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Jughead

Jughead

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No case from me, I’m not a fan, personally. I think we do golden point wrong (if we even need it in the first place) and I’m not a fan of the two point drop goal. 

gingerjon

gingerjon

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Teams should be able to play a joker before a set of six with any scores in that set counting double.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

Griff

Griff

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3 minutes ago, Martyn Sadler said:

We already have two-point drop goals, which can be kicked after a penalty is awarded.

Or after a try is scored.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

ELBOWSEYE

ELBOWSEYE

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1 minute ago, Martyn Sadler said:

According to the rules, the conversion of a try has to be a place kick.

Are you sure 

DavidM

DavidM

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I like it . The ones in the NRL , often under time and scoreboard  pressure are great pieces of skill . You don’t see that many , its not having a detrimental impact , in fact quite the opposite . I wasn’t sure at first but I think it adds to the excitement and,  like any skill , executed well it’s good to see 

Griff

Griff

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1 minute ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Are you sure 

Who knows ?

The rules change so often that the RFL website can't keep up.

But I was certainly under the impression that the rule changed a few years ago to allow drop kicked conversions.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

ELBOWSEYE

ELBOWSEYE

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1 minute ago, Griff said:

Who knows ?

The rules change so often that the RFL website can't keep up.

But I was certainly under the impression that the rule changed a few years ago to allow drop kicked conversions.

You were allowed to in the 70's when I started and when I did all my coaching courses in the 80s /90s. 

Griff

Griff

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4 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

You were allowed to in the 70's when I started and when I did all my coaching courses in the 80s /90s. 

I don't recall that.  Penalties yes, conversions no.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

gingerjon

gingerjon

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Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

Dunbar

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There is something appealing, almost sensible when you come to think of it, about having a consistent scoring system for the sport across our various competitions.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

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Futtocks

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10 minutes ago, DavidM said:

I like it . The ones in the NRL , often under time and scoreboard  pressure are great pieces of skill . You don’t see that many , its not having a detrimental impact , in fact quite the opposite . I wasn’t sure at first but I think it adds to the excitement and,  like any skill , executed well it’s good to see 

I was completely against it as a gimmick but, having seen how it works in the NRL, am less certain.

Like 40/20 kicks, there aren't many (not even seen once every match), and they require a very good kick to achieve.

Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

gingerjon

gingerjon

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2 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Hey, that's one of mine from ages ago!

I hope you enjoyed the walk down memory lane

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

Griff

Griff

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11 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

There is something appealing, almost sensible when you come to think of it, about having a consistent scoring system for the sport across our various competitions.

Or just the same set of rules worldwide.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

Moove

Moove

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4 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

There is something appealing, almost sensible when you come to think of it, about having a consistent scoring system for the sport across our various competitions.

Adds to the jeopardy I think if you go into a game not being entirely sure which rule set we're playing to 🙃 😀

We should lean into it. Set off a claxon at random times with various special rules announced for two minute windows. Two point drop goals, chuck a second ball on the pitch, forward passes allowed etc. Arcade style RL, no two games the same.

Les Tonks Sidestep

Les Tonks Sidestep

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7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I hope you enjoyed the walk down memory lane

I tried searching for my post but couldn't find it. It was in one of those 'rule changes to improve the game' threads that must have been deleted due to folk posting ridiculous suggestions.....

Dunbar

Dunbar

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3 minutes ago, Moove said:

We should lean into it. Set off a claxon at random times with various special rules announced for two minute windows. Two point drop goals, chuck a second ball on the pitch, forward passes allowed etc. Arcade style RL, no two games the same

Leeds are well ahead of you, this is how they have been playing for 18 months now.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Wiltshire Warrior Dragon

Wiltshire Warrior Dragon

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1 hour ago, Archie Gordon said:

Drop goals.

Hear, hear!

 

1 hour ago, Martyn Sadler said:

We already have two-point drop goals, which can be kicked after a penalty is awarded.

Isn't that just called a penalty goal?

My support for Archie G is that field goals were something quite different (see other threads on this forum some time ago) and I think it is foolish of the Australians to call drop goals field goals.  Historically, it is confusing.

The legendary 'Dally' Messenger was a field goal specialist, but not necessarily a great drop goal kicker.

ELBOWSEYE

ELBOWSEYE

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1 hour ago, Griff said:

I don't recall that.  Penalties yes, conversions no.

Definitely, at pro level as long as the touch judges were in place you could definitely drop kick a conversion. 

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