Fri 21st Apr: SL: Castleford Tigers v Hull Kingston Rovers KO 20:00 (Sky)

[Gates1]

21 minutes ago, Ullman said:

Close on the scoreboard but Cas never looked capable of winning it in the second half.

Might have helped if somebody had bothered to catch that kick off mind.

Definitely.  As soon as it went 12-7 it was game over.

I remember Cas getting a penalty on the KR 10 on 72 minutes and didn't feel any real hope of scoring/winning, which sums up our attacking structure.

[Gates1]

38 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

Someone said Lewis and Abdul weren't playing and i stupidly believed em .

Haha, we still wouldn't have scored 8, might have won 7-6 like  

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

2 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Tigers great club however the ground looks terrible on TV how many does that main stand (Only stand) hold 500 and maybe 60% full corporately its a car crash.

They desperately need to upgrade the place or its Championship for certain 

As you’d expect we were sat behind the Directors’ Box (that’s Hudgell on the right and Lakin next to him). In the prawn sandwich, champagne-swilling VIP zone as you can see…

To be fair to Cas though the plans for the new stand look just right for their needs, will be great, hopefully this time they can pull it off. 

Edited April 21, 2023 by Hull Kingston Bronco

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

1 hour ago, DimmestStar said:

Just 11 months ago Tony Smith's Hull KR went to Cas and lost 32-0. After several brilliant wins I'm chuffed that Rovers can also grind it out away from home against determined opposition.

This is the key for me. Last year, and likely every other year in SuperLeague, we would have lost tonight. I know Cas have some rustiness in their attack but we defended what they had, and ground a result out when we weren't playing that well against a side that kept showing up for each other in defence and working really hard.

Cas are a much better team than their results. Andy Last has them defending well, they've some go-forward in the middle and threat on the edges at range. They just need some more killer decision-making in the final 20m. Maybe they needed Widdop tonight, I don't know, but some ideas were missing. They're miles better than Wakefield though, and have 10x more heart than Hull FC. 

[Josef K]

1 hour ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

As you’d expect we were sat behind the Directors’ Box (that’s Hudgell on the right and Lakin next to him). In the prawn sandwich, champagne-swilling VIP zone as you can see…

To be fair to Cas though the plans for the new stand look just right for their needs, will be great, hopefully this time they can pull it off. 

Had the glass on either side of the stand been washed???. Was the roof leaking??? 

[Madrileño]

An entertaining 80 mins, but let's be honest: it was a mistake-strewn error fest.

HKR are sitting 3rd, so clearly they at least are capable of more. However some of their play tonight was awful.

- leaving their half to carry in yardage plays and inevitably get smashed.

- no workrate from their middles to get back escort their kick catcher. The Tigers try is a prime example of this.The kicker is able to gather and score in acres of space.

- dummy half passing is garbage about 50% of the time (a League wide problem mind... not just HKR). First receiver is taking balls in his ribs, overhead etc etc. 

-several decent try scoring opportunities bombed by poor skills and/or poor decision making ability.

- A real lack of professionalism from some of their players. The bearded guy standing 8m from the goal line, flat footed and not even expecting an offload in the 1st half. WTF??? You are meant to be a professional player mate.

Positives for them would be Abdul's kicking game (superb 40-20 second half) and some of their D. Smashing Westerman for example.

Castleford though, admittedly look to have a tad more professionalism than they did under Radford. They still look like a bit of a pub side though - probably happy to act the big man down Greggs' back alley rather than grafting at training. Their skills are poor, and Fonua comes across as a complete clown on that left edge. How he can be playing Super League and not score that opportunity he had in the corner is staggering. 

@Hull Kingston Bronco says they are better than Wakefield, but that is a given. Wakefield look like a part time outfit these days. Castleford need to improve rapidly or they are going to take some heavy beatings, and the last thing this League needs is even more mismatches. 

Edited April 22, 2023 by Madrileño

[Stanley30]

10 hours ago, Fevrover said:

They are going to replace the main stand and  do other parts of the ground up but don't know what.

Or when.

Effing disgrace to SL

[GUBRATS]

11 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Tigers great club however the ground looks terrible on TV how many does that main stand (Only stand) hold 500 and maybe 60% full corporately its a car crash.

They desperately need to upgrade the place or its Championship for certain.

 

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It holds 1500 , 500 short of minimum back in 2002 , but it's rarely more than half full , so it is big enough 

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

3 hours ago, Madrileño said:

An entertaining 80 mins, but let's be honest: it was a mistake-strewn error fest.

HKR are sitting 3rd, so clearly they at least are capable of more. However some of their play tonight was awful.

- leaving their half to carry in yardage plays and inevitably get smashed.

- no workrate from their middles to get back escort their kick catcher. The Tigers try is a prime example of this.The kicker is able to gather and score in acres of space.

- dummy half passing is garbage about 50% of the time (a League wide problem mind... not just HKR). First receiver is taking balls in his ribs, overhead etc etc. 

-several decent try scoring opportunities bombed by poor skills and/or poor decision making ability.

- A real lack of professionalism from some of their players. The bearded guy standing 8m from the goal line, flat footed and not even expecting an offload in the 1st half. WTF??? You are meant to be a professional player mate.

Positives for them would be Abdul's kicking game (superb 40-20 second half) and some of their D. Smashing Westerman for example.

Castleford though, admittedly look to have a tad more professionalism than they did under Radford. They still look like a bit of a pub side though - probably happy to act the big man down Greggs' back alley rather than grafting at training. Their skills are poor, and Fonua comes across as a complete clown on that left edge. How he can be playing Super League and not score that opportunity he had in the corner is staggering. 

@Hull Kingston Bronco says they are better than Wakefield, but that is a given. Wakefield look like a part time outfit these days. Castleford need to improve rapidly or they are going to take some heavy beatings, and the last thing this League needs is even more mismatches. 

Always see the negatives in everything, with the usual barely veiled references to how poor the league is compared to the southern hemisphere. It gets boringly predictable, you might need to find a new act mate this ones running out of legs.

The ball was like a bar of soap yesterday so teams played accordingly, and errors came even still. Context is important in any assessment. 

Cas defence was much better last night than in previous games, it's a step forward to build on. Attacking-wise they still lack ideas in the final 20 but have a decent wide shift from depth, and some grunt in the middles. They could have been 18 nil up at half time but for some poor decisions and errors

Rovers on the flipside demonstrated they can grind out a win against a determined side away from home, even when not at their best, or not in ideal conditions for our open game. We would have lost that game every single previous year we've played Super League, often by a lot. Last year 32-0 as it happens. This year we found a way to win, and us supporters appreciate it. Big step forwards. Consistency and play off football comes from playing well, but also from winning when you don't. 

 

Edited April 22, 2023 by Hull Kingston Bronco
Typo

[Fevrover]

1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

It holds 1500 , 500 short of minimum back in 2002 , but it's rarely more than half full , so it is big enough 

Yeah but it's roof is full of asbestos NEEDS DESPERATELY a new stand.

[Fevrover]

9 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

As you’d expect we were sat behind the Directors’ Box (that’s Hudgell on the right and Lakin next to him). In the prawn sandwich, champagne-swilling VIP zone as you can see…

To be fair to Cas though the plans for the new stand look just right for their needs, will be great, hopefully this time they can pull it off. 

Don't hold yer breath lol . 

[sentoffagain2]

 Well KR did improve considerably in the second half and energy levels much better than the first.Thought Cas lost a bit when Westerman went off he had up to then been playing well.Cas short at stand off  Broadbent tries hard but is not a natural 6 Miller who had a good game had to be involved too much.I would not have taken the drop goal when the scores were 6=6 with so long to play 6=0 yes or 12=0 yes just to give you a cushion.First half Cas second KR who deserved to win.Glad to see KR and Leigh playing well and showing that ex Championship clubs cad add to Super League.All they need is a bit of time and investment.

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

50 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

Don't hold yer breath lol . 

I’m trying to be gracious in victory!

But yes if they have out awards for best CAD mock-ups, Cas would have won the most and be up for a lifetime achievement gong when they retire

[bratman]

Hull KR were way off in the first half, Cas looked up for it and should have been a few more scores in front. But we hung in there and improved 2nd half to grind out the result. Hull KR defence much improved on previous seasons.

Hopefully the break will do us good, need to improve for the Huddersfield match.

[bratman]

2 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Always see the negatives in everything, with the usual barely veiled references to how poor the league is compared to the southern hemisphere. It gets boringly predictable, you might need to find a new act mate this ones running out of legs.

Probably still upset that an average mid-table SL team St Helens managed to beat the darlings of the NRL on their own patch

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

17 minutes ago, bratman said:

Probably still upset that an average mid-table SL team St Helens managed to beat the darlings of the NRL on their own patch

Will he ever get over it? 

#thoughtsandprayers 

[Vambo]

Happy to admit that I thoroughly enjoyed this game. Atmosphere (particularly the away fans) came across great.

I said last year that I enjoyed watching the HKR games on Sky and that still holds true. 

 

[corvusxiii]

14 hours ago, wilsontown said:

What was the logic behind the Cas drop goal? Better to get 1 than 0? Didn't seem to help much.

To go further I wouldn't bother accumulating any points as in the event of a loss they dont count for anything.

Sorted.

[Ullman]

14 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

This is the key for me. Last year, and likely every other year in SuperLeague, we would have lost tonight. I know Cas have some rustiness in their attack but we defended what they had, and ground a result out when we weren't playing that well against a side that kept showing up for each other in defence and working really hard.

Cas are a much better team than their results. Andy Last has them defending well, they've some go-forward in the middle and threat on the edges at range. They just need some more killer decision-making in the final 20m. Maybe they needed Widdop tonight, I don't know, but some ideas were missing. They're miles better than Wakefield though, and have 10x more heart than Hull FC. 

Pleased for Lasty that he's been given the chance. Hope it works out for him.

[Dunbar]

15 hours ago, Padge said:

I know you aren't going any further, but however you change techniques, accidents will happen. I stick by my point that if coaches see 'accidents' get a penalty then they will coach players to create those 'accidents'.

I think it is worth pointing out at this stage that the incident we are discussing was in fact a penalty. 

Because the ref knows the laws of the game.

[Madrileño]

14 hours ago, Josef K said:

1. Had the glass on either side of the stand been washed???.

2. Was the roof leaking??? 

1. Doubtful

2. Probably

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

18 hours ago, wilsontown said:

What was the logic behind the Cas drop goal? Better to get 1 than 0? Didn't seem to help much.

It was a tight game in slippy conditions, that 1 pointer made it hard to see Cas ever being 2 scores behind so likely to always be in the fight, right decision at the time I think. You get the  ball back from the kick off, so can go again

…unless you don’t get the ball back from the kick-off of course

[Padge]

3 hours ago, Dunbar said:

I think it is worth pointing out at this stage that the incident we are discussing was in fact a penalty. 

Because the ref knows the laws of the game.

This much is true, my point is that should it be classed as a penalty.

Here's a hypothitical to ponder, ball is on the ground behind the try line, an attacker and a defender both attempt to ground the ball, one to make the ball dead in goal the other to score a try. As they both dive for the ball they clash heads and neither grounds the ball.

There is contact with the head by both to both obviously, since any contact with the head is always a penalty, who gets the penalty, the attacker or the defender.

 

Edited April 22, 2023 by Padge

[Dunbar]

2 minutes ago, Padge said:

This much is true, my point is that should it be classed as a penalty.

Here's a hypothitical to ponder, ball is on the ground behind the try line, an attacker and a defender both attempt to ground the ball, one to make the ball dead in goal the other to score a try. As they both dive for the ball they clash heads and neither grounds the ball.

There is contact with the head by both to both obviously, who gets the penalty, the attacker or the defender.

 

In that situation then I would say there was no penalty. 

[Padge]

3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

In that situation then I would say there was no penalty. 

Why?

All contact with the head results in a penalty or are you admitting that some contacts are accidents that are not justification for a penalty.