IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Griff]

19 minutes ago, Dovster said:

Possibly much easier to manipulate over a season.

Ah! You think that, because the attendances aren't announced to the public, they won't be announced to the RFL either.

I never thought of that, for some reason.

[gingerjon]

10 hours ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

 

 

 

Seems an odd stance, particularly if other clubs join in, and one could assume its a control on the narrative when it comes to IMG points and average crowds (which isn't something HKR would struggle with). 

 

 

Just make announcing an accurate attendance (defined however chosen) part of the operational rules that all clubs must meet to even get an IMG grading.

Problem, such as it is, solved.

[Griff]

4 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Just make announcing an accurate attendance (defined however chosen) part of the operational rules that all clubs must meet to even get an IMG grading.

Problem, such as it is, solved.

Why is it a problem?

How are you going to get unwilling clubs to vote for such a change?

[muckymunksy]

On 15/12/2023 at 20:59, Click said:

If Leeds fans haven't got any enthusiasm for their upcoming season then it is because they are still too blessed with their memories of winning trophies constantly, oh what it would be like to be in a Leeds fans shoes.

Cas fans on the other hand, I can imagine why they also may have no enthusiasm for the upcoming season.

Think Cas will be safe 

Toulouse will drop to 13th. 

[The Blues Ox]

Yeah I think not publishing attendances is probably the way forward for a lot of clubs. Again Bradford are an easy example (but again its not just them its just theirs are the most obvious) but not giving out an attendance figure seems a lot easier than announcing over 4k when there are actually less than half of that in the ground.

[gingerjon]

59 minutes ago, Griff said:

Why is it a problem?

I don't necessarily think it is a problem but that would be a very simple way to fix it, if it were.

[JohnM]

FoI request?

[sam4731]

17 hours ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

 

 

 

Seems an odd stance, particularly if other clubs join in, and one could assume its a control on the narrative when it comes to IMG points and average crowds (which isn't something HKR would struggle with). 

 

 

IMG have already said that they will taking their own figures for attendance (I.e. not just what the clubs tell them), which won't include season ticket holders that aren't there. How they are going to do this I don't know but maybe taking sections of the stadium and extrapolating the data for total attendance figures.

[MattSantos]

Interestingly, the new proposals in football around the 'Super League' include promotion and relegation...

 

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

1 hour ago, sam4731 said:

IMG have already said that they will taking their own figures for attendance (I.e. not just what the clubs tell them), which won't include season ticket holders that aren't there. How they are going to do this I don't know but maybe taking sections of the stadium and extrapolating the data for total attendance figures.

IMG/RFL: "are these attendance figures genuine?"

Club: "yes"

IMG/RFL: "great, thanks"

[Tommygilf]

1 hour ago, MattSantos said:

Interestingly, the new proposals in football around the 'Super League' include promotion and relegation...

 

Football also has 2 of its top 20 clubs financially from last year in the English Championship. Not really on the same level is it...

[Gooleboy]

3 hours ago, sam4731 said:

IMG have already said that they will taking their own figures for attendance (I.e. not just what the clubs tell them), which won't include season ticket holders that aren't there. How they are going to do this I don't know but maybe taking sections of the stadium and extrapolating the data for total attendance figures.

Is each ground going to have an IMG gate? 

[Dovster]

12 hours ago, Griff said:

Ah! You think that, because the attendances aren't announced to the public, they won't be announced to the RFL either.

I never thought of that, for some reason.

Because you're so clever.

[Griff]

35 minutes ago, Dovster said:

Because you're so clever.

[sigh]

[phiggins]

5 hours ago, sam4731 said:

IMG have already said that they will taking their own figures for attendance (I.e. not just what the clubs tell them), which won't include season ticket holders that aren't there. How they are going to do this I don't know but maybe taking sections of the stadium and extrapolating the data for total attendance figures.

It will be based on the code scans / turnstile clicks. Which is the number that is reported to safety officers 

[sam4731]

3 hours ago, Gooleboy said:

Is each ground going to have an IMG gate? 

 

1 hour ago, phiggins said:

It will be based on the code scans / turnstile clicks. Which is the number that is reported to safety officers 

I just checked and they are going to take these figures but also do their own random audits to ensure the figures are accurate.

[gingerjon]

13 hours ago, MattSantos said:

Interestingly, the new proposals in football around the 'Super League' include promotion and relegation...

 

Between the super league leagues because the clubs all already have LEDs installed. But promotion to the super league leagues is based on accumulated performance, not a single season.

[Harry Stottle]

16 hours ago, sam4731 said:

IMG have already said that they will taking their own figures for attendance (I.e. not just what the clubs tell them), which won't include season ticket holders that aren't there. How they are going to do this I don't know but maybe taking sections of the stadium and extrapolating the data for total attendance figures.

Simplified, do you mean Guessing?

[Harry Stottle]

13 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Football also has 2 of its top 20 clubs financially from last year in the English Championship. Not really on the same level is it...

Please explain that Thomas, will they or won't they be competing in a league system in that they earn points on a ladder that will determine whether they finish in such a position that will see clubs Promoted or Relegated?

You know that I have no interest in the round ball ball game therefore I do not look for any information relevant to it, but in this case with your answer to @MattSantoscould you please clarify for me is Promotion and Relegation to from the Championship based on financial grading? I suspect not.

[Harry Stottle]

9 hours ago, sam4731 said:

 

I just checked and they are going to take these figures but also do their own random audits to ensure the figures are accurate.

Without actually doing a head count and then subtracting the non attending ST holders, how can they possibly arrive at figures that are accurate?

I am not being evasive just curious. 

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

Between the super league leagues because the clubs all already have LEDs installed. But promotion to the super league leagues is based on accumulated performance, not a single season.

Will the Champions also be deemed on an average of finishing positions over multiple seasons, or a single season?

[gingerjon]

7 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Please explain that Thomas, will they or won't they be competing in a league system in that they earn points on a ladder that will determine whether they finish in such a position that will see clubs Promoted or Relegated?

You know that I have no interest in the round ball ball game therefore I do not look for any information relevant to it, but in this case with your answer to @MattSantoscould you please clarify for me is Promotion and Relegation to from the Championship based on financial grading? I suspect not.

It’s an additional competition (proposed at this stage) additional to domestic leagues. Group stages followed by knock out. Three closed leagues with promotion between them. Outsiders will be invited in based on performance over several years.

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Will the Champions also be deemed on an average of finishing positions over multiple seasons, or a single season?

Group stage followed by knock outs.

Similar to the proposal for the Challenge Cup.

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

It’s an additional competition (proposed at this stage) additional to domestic leagues. Group stages followed by knock out. Three closed leagues with promotion between them. Outsiders will be invited in based on performance over several years.

Thanks for that, but I read Tommy's answer as relevant to the English Championship?

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Thanks for that, but I read Tommy's answer as relevant to the English Championship?

I think he was just making the observation that there are clubs equivalent in size to the biggest in the country sitting outside the top division. That is true in football, less true in rugby.