IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Worzel]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

IMG must want Leigh in the top flight then.

It’s the only reason they got involved. They’re looking for more clubs with owners that sack the team without paying all their wages when they lose too many matches, and slag off their own social media team online during a match. Like garlic bread, that’s the future. 

[phiggins]

8 minutes ago, Worzel said:

It’s the only reason they got involved. They’re looking for more clubs with owners that sack the team without paying all their wages when they lose too many matches, and slag off their own social media team online during a match. Like garlic bread, that’s the future. 

When did Beaumont “sack the team”?

[Worzel]

7 minutes ago, phiggins said:

When did Beaumont “sack the team”?

I’ll accept it’s an oversimplification, but the dummy-spitting events of 2018 had some terrible consequences for several under-contract players. 

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, Worzel said:

I’ll accept it’s an oversimplification, but the dummy-spitting events of 2018 had some terrible consequences for several under-contract players. 

Sacking as you put it would have been to good. They stole money just turned up and held out their hand, I watched them all season but you probably know better.

[Worzel]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Sacking as you put it would have been to good. They stole money just turned up and held out their hand, I watched them all season but you probably know better.

I’m sure they underperformed, the results are there to see. But you and I both know Derek’s epic melt down wasn’t exactly professional. 

[Griff]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Sacking as you put it would have been to good. They stole money just turned up and held out their hand, I watched them all season but you probably know better.

Yet they were given contracts by a management which clearly underperformed by recruiting substandard players.

[Pulga]

16 hours ago, Dave T said:

This is a bare faced lie. 

Over the last 10 years:

The SL Grand Final has had 7 different teams in them. 

The SL top 6 (for like-for-like purposes) has had 12 different teams. Only London of the current clubs haven't made the playoffs. 

The Challenge Cup final has had 11 different finalists. 

 

So 7 out of a possible 20 GF spots.

And out of 60 spots there's been 12 different teams? Ok?

And 11 out of 20 CC finalists. 

None of this really kills my argument although it's a strawman. I never said anything about different teams making finals. Just that 4 or 5 have any chance in any given year.

[Pulga]

16 hours ago, DEANO said:

Exactly all the teams had something to play for with the threat of relegation 

That's not true when there is no minimum spend. You aren't playing for anything. You're just poor.

[Harry Stottle]

15 hours ago, Griff said:

Yet they were given contracts by a management which clearly underperformed by recruiting substandard players.

 

15 hours ago, Worzel said:

I’m sure they underperformed, the results are there to see. But you and I both know Derek’s epic melt down wasn’t exactly professional. 

Before the start of that season being '18 with the recruitment of that team they were the clear favourites without exception to 'walk' the league with all the commentators, scribes and experts such was the so called quality of the playing roster, honestly believe me when I tell you the hardest work they did was to hold out their hands to get paid each week, as unprofessional as you claim Mr Beaumont to have been the majority of those player's were worse.

[Dave T]

4 hours ago, Pulga said:

So 7 out of a possible 20 GF spots.

And out of 60 spots there's been 12 different teams? Ok?

And 11 out of 20 CC finalists. 

None of this really kills my argument although it's a strawman. I never said anything about different teams making finals. Just that 4 or 5 have any chance in any given year.

Wow. I'm surprised by how basic this is. I mean, 60 final slots? That's really weird comprehension. Do you even know how many top flight teams there are? 

Its quite clear your post was nonsense, making out that most teams in SL are just making up the numbers and are kmlh there to fight for survival, when in reality, 11 of the 12 top flight teams have appeared in finals and playoffs. 

Try naming these clubs you say are only there to aim for 11th?

Salford? Cas? Hull? 

Your post just isn't true on any level. 

Sure, the likes of Saints have had dominant spells, but that doesn't mean that Salford are adding nothing - they've been in a Grand Final and a Cup final (a classic one at that). 

 

[Griff]

45 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

 

Before the start of that season being '18 with the recruitment of that team they were the clear favourites without exception to 'walk' the league with all the commentators, scribes and experts such was the so called quality of the playing roster, honestly believe me when I tell you the hardest work they did was to hold out their hands to get paid each week, as unprofessional as you claim Mr Beaumont to have been the majority of those player's were worse.

Hold out their hands? Still paying cash in Leigh?

[up the robins]

On 13/04/2024 at 00:05, Pulga said:

Have you missed the last decade of the game where there are only 4 or 5 competitive teams and the rest race to 11th where they're safe? Get a grip.

The last decade has seen the emergence of two new teams challenging the established top few.

Both Hkr and Leigh are  huge success stories of the last couple of years and both built from good investment from promotion from championship.

Sometimes  relegation can help a team rebuild and change business plans and the way clubs approach things, rather than sitting safe in a nothing to play for bottom half sl.

We saw the demise of more teams under franchises than new teams and over the last few years there seems to be an emergence of new teams outside of the m62 corridor in the the lower leagues. 

We spend to much time putting our great sport down when we should be shouting from the rooftops how good it is, yes it has its faults but so does every sport.

Edited April 14 by up the robins

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, up the robins said:

We so the demise of more teams under franchises than new teams and over the last few years there seems to be an emergence of new teams outside of the m62 corridor in the the lower leagues. 

West Wales and London Skolars have both gone in the past couple of seasons.

Oxford gone, Hemel much scaled back, Gloucestershire All Golds likewise. Midlands are Coventry but moved.

The only new one is Cornwall.

[Harry Stottle]

26 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

West Wales and London Skolars have both gone in the past couple of seasons.

Oxford gone, Hemel much scaled back, Gloucestershire All Golds likewise. Midlands are Coventry but moved.

The only new one is Cornwall.

Yes no different than what has been going on for many years, I don't need to name those that have come and gone just as quicky, the game simply does not travel to far away from what was originated in the UK in 1895, yes it is a  northern game for northern folk, seeds are cast in other parts but it seems theyj just can't germinate elsewhere.

Do you think Cornwall will last the test of time?

[JohnM]

Northern game for northern folk? So that's what's made the North what it is today. Fraser was right. "We're all doomed!".  .

Though reflecting, I agree. Northern folk such as Frano Botica, Martyn Offiah, Adrian Lam, French, Field, ...all the other Northeners masquerading under Pacific Islands , PNG, NZ and Aus aliases.

[Liverpool Rover]

56 minutes ago, up the robins said:

Both Hkr and Leigh are  huge success stories of the last couple of years and both built from good investment from promotion from championship.

We saw the demise of more teams under franchises than new teams and over the last few years there seems to be an emergence of new teams outside of the m62 corridor in the the lower leagues.

Rovers and Leigh have backers that were willing to put big money into their clubs, not many other non SL clubs have those kinds of investors.

It wasn’t licensing that caused Bradford and Crusaders to demise, it was coincidental that it happened during licensing.

[phiggins]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

West Wales and London Skolars have both gone in the past couple of seasons.

Oxford gone, Hemel much scaled back, Gloucestershire All Golds likewise. Midlands are Coventry but moved.

The only new one is Cornwall.

But how is the new grading system going to make any difference to the fortunes of League 1 clubs? 

[RugbyLeagueGeek]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

yes it is a  northern game for northern folk

[DEANO]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yes no different than what has been going on for many years, I don't need to name those that have come and gone just as quicky, the game simply does not travel to far away from what was originated in the UK in 1895, yes it is a  northern game for northern folk, seeds are cast in other parts but it seems theyj just can't germinate elsewhere.

Do you think Cornwall will last the test of time?

Unfortunately not

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Rover said:

Rovers and Leigh have backers that were willing to put big money into their clubs, not many other non SL clubs have those kinds of investors.

So what do you suggest?

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, JohnM said:

Northern game for northern folk? So that's what's made the North what it is today. Fraser was right. "We're all doomed!".  .

Though reflecting, I agree. Northern folk such as Frano Botica, Martyn Offiah, Adrian Lam, French, Field, ...all the other Northeners masquerading under Pacific Islands , PNG, NZ and Aus aliases.

Fictional Walmington on Sea was on the South Coast!

Which clubs did/do those you mention play for, Northern Clubs adjacent to the big concrete scar that is the M62 corridor, and they will mostly return from wence they came.

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, phiggins said:

But how is the new grading system going to make any difference to the fortunes of League 1 clubs? 

I don't think it is, directly.

I also said at the time that the new system locks out clubs - from the professional structure not Super League.

[up the robins]

4 hours ago, Liverpool Rover said:

Rovers and Leigh have backers that were willing to put big money into their clubs, not many other non SL clubs have those kinds of investors.

It wasn’t licensing that caused Bradford and Crusaders to demise, it was coincidental that it happened during licensing.

Rovers got the big backers after promotion to super league and would probably of been nowhere near our club had we not got there.

We have had a very steady backing from our saviours Neil and Rob who have steadily built our club over a couple of relegation and promotion battles. 

My point is why would anybody invest below super league level when the whole system is skewed against anyone been able to meet the criteria of a A grade.

Also people say about it not been a success outside the North! I'm sure it was mentioned that in the London squad that faced us there was 13 home grown players. I think that is an amazing achievement and one that puts all us Northern hot bed of talent clubs to shame as none of us even come close to that. 

I'm not certain but could the reason Newcastle have gone the way they have been down to the owner seeing no way of achieving the criteria to progress and hence why waste his time.

[JohnM]

4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Fictional Walmington on Sea was on the South Coast!

Which clubs did/do those you mention play for, Northern Clubs adjacent to the big concrete scar that is the M62 corridor, and they will mostly return from wence they came.

Filmed in Thetford, Norfolk. 

Leigh might be aspiring to the Parochial Div 1 of the League of Insular Gentlemen, but others may well differ.

 

[Harry Stottle]

2 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Filmed in Thetford, Norfolk. 

Leigh might be aspiring to the Parochial Div 1 of the League of Insular Gentlemen, but others may well differ.

 

Yeah Norfolk is still hardened RL country,

So tell me, in your life time of being involved in this game where has the expansion programme proved successful away from the confines of the M62 corridor save for London 40 few years ago, brush it up any way you want to John and call me parochial but at the bottom of it you know I am not to far off the truth, Rugby League does not travel well in this country, even your good self could only go down the road for your RL fix from your spiritual home of Swinton, to your new love.