Euro 2024

[bobbruce]

Palmers made a difference in his short time on the pitch just need Gordon on for Foden now. 

[Maximus Decimus]

Yeh... so that was a massive improvement.

It's almost like the system doesn't work, not just swapping one player...

We've won the group (very unconvincingly) but there's a chance we now face the Netherlands. That'll be fun.

[The Hallucinating Goose]

That was one of the dullest, most boring and unimaginative performances ever. So obvious Southgate was just playing for the draw there.

[Gerrumonside ref]

Guess Trent wasn’t the problem after all given Gallagher’s showing!

I would play Walker LB and TAA RB with a little freedom to link up with Saka which is where he’s been at his best in an England shirt.

Edited June 25 by Gerrumonside ref

[gingerjon]

The last time were this deathly in a group of deathly-ness. They finished with exactly the same record ... as did, in relation, the rest of the group.

Italia 90. (And, actually, Italia 90 was far, far, far worse than this although this was bad.)

[Gerrumonside ref]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The last time were this deathly in a group of deathly-ness. They finished with exactly the same record ... as did, in relation, the rest of the group.

Italia 90. (And, actually, Italia 90 was far, far, far worse than this although this was bad.)

Yes, I was thinking how reminiscent it was

[HawkMan]

Slovenia through in 3rd because of Hungary and Croatia's worse 3rd place record. But why are Denmark ahead of Slovenia in group, both identical records, three draws, two 1-1s and a 0-0, and head to head 1-1

[Gerrumonside ref]

1 minute ago, HawkMan said:

Slovenia through in 3rd because of Hungary and Croatia's worse 3rd place record. But why are Denmark ahead of Slovenia in group, both identical records, three draws, two 1-1s and a 0-0, and head to head 1-1

Alphabet!

[Maximus Decimus]

13 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

Alphabet!

Qualification record.

[Gerrumonside ref]

Just now, Maximus Decimus said:

Qualification record.

Yes, my reply was very much tongue in cheek!

[Maximus Decimus]

We're now basically in the situation I feared. The system that Southgate has persisted with clearly doesn't work and now we're faced with the dilemma of sticking with it or changing it for the knockouts.

What a disaster.

[Gerrumonside ref]

7 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

We're now basically in the situation I feared. The system that Southgate has persisted with clearly doesn't work and now we're faced with the dilemma of sticking with it or changing it for the knockouts.

What a disaster.

On the flip side we do have a strong squad with options off the bench even if we’ve not come together as an XI yet.

Also we’ve avoided injuries or any disciplinary problems so far which is a big plus.

We may have been unimpressive but we’ve won the group expending the minimum amount of energy.

Does seem that the tournament itself is quite open with no standout teams so far, even if they may have played better than England so far.

Edited June 25 by Gerrumonside ref

[Maximus Decimus]

1 hour ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

On the flip side we do have a strong squad with options off the bench even if we’ve not come together as an XI yet.

Also we’ve avoided injuries or any disciplinary problems so far which is a big plus.

We may have been unimpressive but we’ve won the group expending the minimum amount of energy.

Does seem that the tournament itself is quite open with no standout teams so far, even if they may have played better than England so far.

I admire your positivity, but this is far more likely to end in tears than anything else. 

We went into this tournament with an amazing attack, the best of the tournament, and have scored 2 OK goals in 3 games. 

There's a decent chance we play Holland next and if we do we're out IMO. The German player pundit on Bild.de, laughed at the idea we could do well and said we're out next round regardless of who we play. 

I came into this as a great Southgate defender but not only have we not done well, it can be clearly pointed to him why we haven't. It'll be a shame if he ends on this note. 

[Futtocks]

 

[17 stone giant]

2 hours ago, bobbruce said:

just need Gordon on

He looked good when he came on. Unfortunately the England manager chose not to bring him on until the 90th minute.

 

[gingerjon]

8 hours ago, HawkMan said:

Slovenia through in 3rd because of Hungary and Croatia's worse 3rd place record. But why are Denmark ahead of Slovenia in group, both identical records, three draws, two 1-1s and a 0-0, and head to head 1-1

Disciplinary points.

Denmark had 6, Slovenia had 7.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2024#cite_note-table_hth_DEN0.44003065463157-115

[Gerrumonside ref]

8 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

I admire your positivity, but this is far more likely to end in tears than anything else. 

We went into this tournament with an amazing attack, the best of the tournament, and have scored 2 OK goals in 3 games. 

There's a decent chance we play Holland next and if we do we're out IMO. The German player pundit on Bild.de, laughed at the idea we could do well and said we're out next round regardless of who we play. 

I came into this as a great Southgate defender but not only have we not done well, it can be clearly pointed to him why we haven't. It'll be a shame if he ends on this note. 

For the record I don’t think we’re going to win the thing and never have.

We might have good individual players on paper, but this is a team sport and we just don’t look effective as a team.  The truth is we haven’t gelled in the run up either.

I just would invite you to see some positives from the situation we are in: strong squad, injury free, no major discipline problem and a route to the latter stages avoiding the better teams.

 

Edited June 26 by Gerrumonside ref

[OriginalMrC]

Am not English but the Declan Rice and Harry Kane interviews shout to me that all is not well in the camp. Southgate doesn't know his best team and the experienced players only want to play one way. Never say never because they should have an easy opponent in the last 16 but they really really need to up their game.

[gingerjon]

I'm told, by the way, that the Denmark-Serbia game was worse.

[HawkMan]

Haven't checked if this is true,but apparently this is the first time since simultaneous final group games were introduced that both games finished 0-0. Last time it happened in a major tournament was WC  1962, and England were involved!

Hungary 0 Argentina 0

England 0 Bulgaria 0

Edited June 26 by HawkMan

[Tommygilf]

31 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I'm told, by the way, that the Denmark-Serbia game was worse.

And we barely beat one of them, and drew with the other...

[Tommygilf]

13 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

We're now basically in the situation I feared. The system that Southgate has persisted with clearly doesn't work and now we're faced with the dilemma of sticking with it or changing it for the knockouts.

What a disaster.

Southgate has managed to get the Spanish league's top player, the English League's top player, and the top scorer in Germany all playing in a system that apparently suits none of them.

[17 stone giant]

The book isn't finished yet. The first three chapters haven't been great, but chapter 4 against (probably) the Netherlands might be different. Win that and who knows where it will lead.

What I'm saying is, let's at least give England the opportunity to be knocked out, before we write the tournament off as being terrible.

My point way back was never to say that I thought Southgate was awful or a disaster. I was just giving my opinion that, all things considered, I didn't feel that what he had achieved was as praiseworthy as some people seem to think.

I felt that it was much closer to being what I've seen from England over many years, rather than some absolutely golden period where we've been doing things never seen or heard of before from any England team.

[Maximus Decimus]

5 hours ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

For the record I don’t think we’re going to win the thing and never have.

We might have good individual players on paper, but this is a team sport and we just don’t look effective as a team.  The truth is we haven’t gelled in the run up either.

I just would invite you to see some positives from the situation we are in: strong squad, injury free, no major discipline problem and a route to the latter stages avoiding the better teams.

 

Things have definitely opened up. I'll feel better if we avoid the Netherlands. Yes they aren't a top side by their standards but they're always going to be a challenge even if we are playing well.

I actually thought last night was a minor improvement and defensively we've looked better than expected. Southgate has to be brave enough to learn the lessons from last night, rather than stubbornly trying to persist. I suspect he's much happier with how it's going than the rest of the country.

My main concern is that even with the open draw, we'll get a minnow and because we're not creating much, we'll get dragged into extra-time and the lottery of penalties.

[Maximus Decimus]

1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

Southgate has managed to get the Spanish league's top player, the English League's top player, and the top scorer in Germany all playing in a system that apparently suits none of them.

I think the problem is that he isn't brave enough to drop one of them if the system isn't working.

They were talking on the Rest Is Football today, and Micah Richards gave his preferred team but as soon as he realised Bellingham wasn't in it, backtracked.