Dave T Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Odd approach to pricing for the playoffs. Wire v Saints is standard SL pricing minus £5 for members. £5 admission for juniors. Salford v Leigh starts at £10 for adults, £1 for kids. Hopefully we get two great crowds and noisy atmospheres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Why do we have so many play-off games if we struggle to sell discounted tickets for them? 1 "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam4731 Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 1 minute ago, Griff said: Why do we have so many play-off games if we struggle to sell discounted tickets for them? Controversial opinion but I'd go LLS winner goes straight to the GF, 2nd and 3rd playoff to play against them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly-By-TheWire Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 I guess Leigh see the playoff v Salford as a potential opportunity for spreading the brand. Won't be a particularly big crowd due to the away following, so may as well make it cheap entry and try and entice new fans. Warrington v Saints will likely be close to capacity, so no need for promoting with this one. I like the bargain price for juniors though, good move. Hope it's a sellout, but I guess it depends on Saints fans after the team's recent wobbles. I have no doubt their team will be up for this one though, especially back at full strength. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Chopra Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 2 hours ago, Dave T said: Odd approach to pricing for the playoffs. Wire v Saints is standard SL pricing minus £5 for members. £5 admission for juniors. Salford v Leigh starts at £10 for adults, £1 for kids. Hopefully we get two great crowds and noisy atmospheres. Who sets them, SL or the home club? I thought playoff revenues were pooled, so I'd assumed SL set the pricing and it would be standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 17 minutes ago, Griff said: Why do we have so many play-off games if we struggle to sell discounted tickets for them? 14 minutes ago, sam4731 said: Controversial opinion but I'd go LLS winner goes straight to the GF, 2nd and 3rd playoff to play against them. I find it strange SL is a top 6 approach instead of top 5. With a top 6, there are only five playoff games over three weeks. With a top 5, there would be six playoff games over four weeks and the finals wouldn’t be diluted with the sixth placed side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Call me a traitor, but I don't mind this play off structure or those approaches to pricing. Certainly in the past the structure created a bit of apathy to the early games - every game being a knock out makes them count more. 4 I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 25 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said: I find it strange SL is a top 6 approach instead of top 5. With a top 6, there are only five playoff games over three weeks. With a top 5, there would be six playoff games over four weeks and the finals wouldn’t be diluted with the sixth placed side. But we can't sell tickets for the play-off games - apart from the final. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 48 minutes ago, sam4731 said: Controversial opinion but I'd go LLS winner goes straight to the GF, 2nd and 3rd playoff to play against them. Absolutely, while I’d like to see the league leaders crowned champions I get why we need a grand final but it should only be one of the top three who can win it - the idea of someone who finishes 6th out of 12 over the course of a 27 game season winning the comp is ridiculous. But then again I like P&R also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 21 Author Share Posted September 21 1 hour ago, Sports Prophet said: I find it strange SL is a top 6 approach instead of top 5. With a top 6, there are only five playoff games over three weeks. With a top 5, there would be six playoff games over four weeks and the finals wouldn’t be diluted with the sixth placed side. I find it a bit too blink and you miss it, and I'm not convinced we have the best structure at the moment. I'm not sure the reward per place is quite at the right level. But I think when we had top 5, one team could have two weekends free in three, and I think that became problematic. I must admit, I've watched the NRL playoff games in the background and I don't really know what stage they are at. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 21 Author Share Posted September 21 2 hours ago, Toby Chopra said: Who sets them, SL or the home club? I thought playoff revenues were pooled, so I'd assumed SL set the pricing and it would be standard. Yeah it's the individual pricing I find a touch odd based on these being central events. My preference would be modest price points and push sellouts bit I expect we're likely to see maybe 10k and 6k with this pricing, so it should look OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 34 minutes ago, Dave T said: I find it a bit too blink and you miss it, and I'm not convinced we have the best structure at the moment. I'm not sure the reward per place is quite at the right level. I'm just looking at it from a commercial point of view. We seem to be staging games which are less attractive than the corresponding regular season game. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 21 Author Share Posted September 21 6 minutes ago, Griff said: I'm just looking at it from a commercial point of view. We seem to be staging games which are less attractive than the corresponding regular season game. I wouldn't say they are less attractive particularly, I expect they'll have better viewing figures than regular games and the biggest impact on the attendance is all pay vs season ticket. It is a shame that we don't see the kind of uplift crowds that the NRL does for playoffs, but there is clearly a cultural difference at play here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 35 minutes ago, Dave T said: I wouldn't say they are less attractive particularly...... They're less attractive because they attract fewer folk to the gates. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Just heard for the Salford game the tickets are already scarce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 17 minutes ago, Griff said: They're less attractive because they attract fewer folk to the gates. The viewing figures will be higher as I expect will be away fan attendance. It's typically something to do with the less hardcore home fans in my experience. It's starting to become a distant memory but I've never missed a playoff game my team has been involved in, except a Covid no-crowd one, and it's the absolute highlight of the season for me. But for some reason attending these non season ticket, short notice games doesn't resonate the same way with slightly more marginal fans. They'll no doubt watch on tv though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 21 Author Share Posted September 21 21 minutes ago, Griff said: They're less attractive because they attract fewer folk to the gates. That's incredibly simplistic analysis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 21 Author Share Posted September 21 2 minutes ago, M j M said: The viewing figures will be higher as I expect will be away fan attendance. It's typically something to do with the less hardcore home fans in my experience. It's starting to become a distant memory but I've never missed a playoff game my team has been involved in, except a Covid no-crowd one, and it's the absolute highlight of the season for me. But for some reason attending these non season ticket, short notice games doesn't resonate the same way with slightly more marginal fans. They'll no doubt watch on tv though. It is almost impossible to argue that the season ticket culture does not translate to people wanting to pay for seats that mentally they have paid for 10 months earlier - even though that ain't strictly true. Many ST holders don't ever pay for a game on the turnstiles. That isn't a behaviour they demonstrate. We haven't found a way to make that work for them in sufficient numbers. We see I tin the cup, we see it in the playoffs. Where we do see good playoff followings is as you say, a good away following, and the psychology around this is different, because a Saints fan paying at the HJ is 'normal' behaviour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 3 hours ago, Sports Prophet said: I find it strange SL is a top 6 approach instead of top 5. With a top 6, there are only five playoff games over three weeks. With a top 5, there would be six playoff games over four weeks and the finals wouldn’t be diluted with the sixth placed side. Top 5 has always been the best system for me each place in the 5 got a genuine benefit over the team below them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLANTISMAN Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 10 minutes ago, bobbruce said: Top 5 has always been the best system for me each place in the 5 got a genuine benefit over the team below them. NRL play off system is brilliant SL is c--p 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh1 Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 47 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Just heard for the Salford game the tickets are already scarce. I think there will be a good crowd for this. Salford's final home game of the season, a good following from Leigh, a local derby and winner is 80 minutes away from OT. I expect over 9000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopie Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 7 hours ago, Dave T said: Odd approach to pricing for the playoffs. Wire v Saints is standard SL pricing minus £5 for members. £5 admission for juniors. Salford v Leigh starts at £10 for adults, £1 for kids. Hopefully we get two great crowds and noisy atmospheres. Kids for a quid doesn't seem like it matches up with knockout playoff game, the disconnect is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 21 Author Share Posted September 21 3 minutes ago, Hopie said: Kids for a quid doesn't seem like it matches up with knockout playoff game, the disconnect is real. I don't have an issue with kids for a quid, but if we are going to have central event pricing for stuff like this, surely it should be across all games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam4731 Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 The maths of why top 3 over top 5 is far more proportionate: 5th place in SL over the past 4 seasons has required an average of 55% points won across the regular season. Obviously if you were to win a further 3 games to win the GF that would be boosted but with a 5 team playoff, it would be possible to be champions with a regular season percentage of this 55% figure. For comparison, over the same time frame the Premier League has required an average point percentage of 78% to be champions. However 3rd place in SL over this time period has required an average regular season points percentage of 71%. SL needs a GF but 55% win percentage is not enough. I would argue that 71% is pretty close to fair even though that team wouldn't finish top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Smiley Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 4 hours ago, Fly-By-TheWire said: I guess Leigh see the playoff v Salford as a potential opportunity for spreading the brand. Won't be a particularly big crowd due to the away following, so may as well make it cheap entry and try and entice new fans. Warrington v Saints will likely be close to capacity, so no need for promoting with this one. I like the bargain price for juniors though, good move. Hope it's a sellout, but I guess it depends on Saints fans after the team's recent wobbles. I have no doubt their team will be up for this one though, especially back at full strength. The Leigh game is at Salford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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