Playoff pricing

[Just Browny]

4 hours ago, sweaty craiq said:

Somebody luvved up but it was easy to buy off Salford which seems that many have done clearing out blocks W01/2/3. 2600 was a joke and the club got it wrong, it was like Oasis all over again

Oh dear oh dear. I did wonder when you posted this earlier whether GMP would be chuffed with a mixed stand full of, erm, worked-up Salford and Leigh fans and it seems not.

https://salfordreddevils.net/notice-leigh-ticketing-allocation/

[Just Browny]

Edit - duplicate

Edited September 22, 2024 by Just Browny

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, Just Browny said:

Oh dear oh dear. I did wonder when you posted this earlier whether GMP would be chuffed with a mixed stand full of, erm, worked-up Salford and Leigh fans and it seems not.

https://salfordreddevils.net/notice-leigh-ticketing-allocation/

Sign of the times I suppose, never used to be segregation of supporters in RL.

[Agbrigg]

15 hours ago, Griff said:

I like the five-team-one-drops-out-every-week system but our season is already too long and, as advertised earlier, for whatever reason, crowds are not what they should be for these important games.

The reason crowds have dropped is live TV coverage, it's that simple in my opinion. Sky TV used to be a bit of a luxury back in the day, but now everyone I know has it or access to it.

[Harry Stottle]

4 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

The reason crowds have dropped is live TV coverage, it's that simple in my opinion. Sky TV used to be a bit of a luxury back in the day, but now everyone I know has it or access to it.

Absolutely.

[bobbruce]

10 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

The reason crowds have dropped is live TV coverage, it's that simple in my opinion. Sky TV used to be a bit of a luxury back in the day, but now everyone I know has it or access to it.

Have crowds dropped for play offs I think they’ve always been underwhelming. I’ve a feeling this years play off crowds might be slightly better. 

[sweaty craiq]

4 hours ago, Just Browny said:

Oh dear oh dear. I did wonder when you posted this earlier whether GMP would be chuffed with a mixed stand full of, erm, worked-up Salford and Leigh fans and it seems not.

https://salfordreddevils.net/notice-leigh-ticketing-allocation/

Stupid to give Leigh too few and allow Leigh to buy direct as plenty seats available everywhere! Was a bit ###### off when exposing the stupidity earlier but plenty neutrals will be in W1/2/3 and North section of East stand

[Griff]

47 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

The reason crowds have dropped is live TV coverage, it's that simple in my opinion. Sky TV used to be a bit of a luxury back in the day, but now everyone I know has it or access to it.

In that case, we need to balance the Sky money against lost ticket revenue.

Is it worthwhile? I suspect it is.

[Dave T]

46 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Have crowds dropped for play offs I think they’ve always been underwhelming. I’ve a feeling this years play off crowds might be slightly better. 

I haven't got time to review the stats fully at the moment, but my memory was that the original playoffs brought some decent crowds, this was when we had 5 teams in there. I think some of the changes they made really weakened the playoffs and particularly the seasons we had 8 team playoffs in a 14 team structure led to weird match ups, outcomes and low interest at times. I dont think we ever really pulled it back after that.

When you are having all pay games but they weren't even really knockout or big rewards for winning, it really weakens the product. Basically two matches saw everyone make it through to future rounds.

I think the crowds could be ok this year, but often it is based on getting a good combination of fixtures with good away followings rather than a huge demands for playoffs.

 

Edited September 22, 2024 by Dave T

[Chris22]

There is a misconception that play off crowds are lower than regular season ones, at least recently.

Since 2022, when we introduced the current top 6 system, every single crowd has been higher than the home teams average over the course of the season. There has been an uplift compared to the regular season.

Yes, play off crowds have struggled in the past but for the last two seasons that has not been the case.

[Dave T]

33 minutes ago, Chris22 said:

There is a misconception that play off crowds are lower than regular season ones, at least recently.

Since 2022, when we introduced the current top 6 system, every single crowd has been higher than the home teams average over the course of the season. There has been an uplift compared to the regular season.

Yes, play off crowds have struggled in the past but for the last two seasons that has not been the case.

Yes, it's a good point that the last couple of years have been positive compared to many recent years. 2021 did also use the same system, and the crowds not quite as good, but the season overall was affected by Covid so I can't recall how much that was an issue.

Based on the fixtures, hopefully we'll see some good crowds this year, and maybe the relative simplicity of the system is a factor in that. Every game a knockout, first round boosted by optimistic away followings, semi finals underpinned by the top 2 who are hoping to make it to the final. Here's to some crackers.

[Chris22]

24 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Yes, it's a good point that the last couple of years have been positive compared to many recent years. 2021 did also use the same system, and the crowds not quite as good, but the season overall was affected by Covid so I can't recall how much that was an issue.

Based on the fixtures, hopefully we'll see some good crowds this year, and maybe the relative simplicity of the system is a factor in that. Every game a knockout, first round boosted by optimistic away followings, semi finals underpinned by the top 2 who are hoping to make it to the final. Here's to some crackers.

I'm optimistic about that too. Leigh are taking a good following to Salford and hopefully the home fans turn up in numbers. Warrington's crowds have been a touch disappointing this year, so I hope for an uplift too (and hopefully a general uplift next year after a strong 2023).

I used to prefer the top 5 system as it gave a distinct advantage to each side, the higher you finished. But it led to too many repeat line ups, which this system avoids. I wasn't too keen this system at first but I have changed my view lately.

Only point I would disagree with is the optimistic away followings. This Saints fan who will be attending on Saturday is certainly far from that!

[Dave T]

9 minutes ago, Chris22 said:

 

Only point I would disagree with is the optimistic away followings. This Saints fan who will be attending on Saturday is certainly far from that!

Be interesting to see what happens. It's 16 years ago when we got the last Wire v Saints game that attracted lower than 10k. I'd hope we get above that but the crowds have been weird this year at Wire, and in past years some of our playoff crowds have been dire.

[Snowys Backside]

Salford either need a bigger boat or will need to give out a bigger share of the Stadium. 
 

Would be interesting if away demand outweighs supply yet thousand of empty seats may be as a result of giving a bigger share to the home side. After all, it’s a shared gate. 
 

For both teams and for RL sake, I hope Salford get a 10k + attendance

[Barry Badrinath]

8 hours ago, Dave T said:

Be interesting to see what happens. It's 16 years ago when we got the last Wire v Saints game that attracted lower than 10k. I'd hope we get above that but the crowds have been weird this year at Wire, and in past years some of our playoff crowds have been dire.

Yup, thst 2019 game v cas was about 5k, but we literally limped across the finish line after winning the cup that year, much like Blake austin and his knackered knee

[Damien]

9 hours ago, Chris22 said:

There is a misconception that play off crowds are lower than regular season ones, at least recently.

Since 2022, when we introduced the current top 6 system, every single crowd has been higher than the home teams average over the course of the season. There has been an uplift compared to the regular season.

Yes, play off crowds have struggled in the past but for the last two seasons that has not been the case.

I do think the smaller clubs do much better on this front than those that most would consider the big clubs. Hull KR, Salford and Leigh fans have really helped swell the crowds at their away games. Catalans always seem to get good crowds at home too regardless now.

[Thunder Road]

The Police will be meeting with the stadium safety officer today I imagine to nail down who sits where.The will be a bigger Police presence on duty for this game just in case.Also the Police will be looking at intelligence gleened from social media and forum sites like this one.

There  will  also be an increase in civilian security staff to maintain segregation. 

[Click]

1 hour ago, Thunder Road said:

The Police will be meeting with the stadium safety officer today I imagine to nail down who sits where.The will be a bigger Police presence on duty for this game just in case.Also the Police will be looking at intelligence gleened from social media and forum sites like this one.

There  will  also be an increase in civilian security staff to maintain segregation. 

Well, that is pretty sad.

[whatmichaelsays]

On 21/09/2024 at 16:53, Dave T said:

It is almost impossible to argue that the season ticket culture does not translate to people wanting to pay for seats that mentally they have paid for 10 months earlier - even though that ain't strictly true.

Many ST holders don't ever pay for a game on the turnstiles. That isn't a behaviour they demonstrate. We haven't found a way to make that work for them in sufficient numbers. We see I tin the cup, we see it in the playoffs. 

Where we do see good playoff followings is as you say, a good away following, and the psychology around this is different, because a Saints fan paying at the HJ is 'normal' behaviour.

I think there is something in the psychological "effort" (and I use the term loosely) involved in buying a cup or play-off ticket. The idea that you have to hand over cash at the turnstile, or log on and buy a ticket, is a barrier that we could easily remove. 

To be honest, I think if you offered season ticket holders an "opt-in" box for cup and play-off games at the time they're renewing, as many football clubs do, I imagine a good proportion would just tick it. Not all would, but I bet enough would for a decent conversion rate. 

Any decent club now is running on an e-ticketing system and can simply hold a card on file to charge and add to the customer's pass card. It's so easy to remove that behavioural barrier. 

[Thunder Road]

Click......

I agree , but this is unfortunately the norm now..You get a small percentage of idiots who drink to excess then start performing when their team loses.

It spoils it for the rest...

 

So, to negate the above the fans are "segged".

The plus for the police is they can watch each set of fans through stadium cctv....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dave T]

3 hours ago, Barry Badrinath said:

Yup, thst 2019 game v cas was about 5k, but we literally limped across the finish line after winning the cup that year, much like Blake austin and his knackered knee

List of last Wire playoff games:

2021 v Hull KR (6.2k)

2020 v Hull FC (behind closed doors)

2019 v Cas (5.6k)

2016 v Saints (12.8k)

 

During that same period our cup games:

2024 v London (3.6k)

2022 v Wakey (2.6k)

2019 Wigan (7k)

2018 Bulls, TWP and Wigan (4.7k, 6.5k, 10.2k)

2017, Widnes and Wigan (5.9k and 7.3k)

2016 v Widnes (7.7k)

 

Our record with all pay games has been really poor for a while. We don't seem to know how to create a buzz any more. Nip on the website now and the lead story is them trying to sell memberships. The last mention about the Saints game is from 3 days ago. We should be going all out to pack it with Wire fans this Sat.

[PEANUT HEAD]

On 21/09/2024 at 12:58, Fly-By-TheWire said:

I guess Leigh see the playoff v Salford as a potential opportunity for spreading the brand.   Won't be a particularly big crowd due to the away following, so may as well make it cheap entry and try and entice new fans.

Warrington v Saints will likely be close to capacity, so no need for promoting with this one.   I like the bargain price for juniors though, good move.   Hope it's a sellout, but I guess it depends on Saints fans after the team's recent wobbles.   I have no doubt their team will be up for this one though, especially back at full strength.

Are you having a laugh leigh will out number Salford if they let them have the tickets they will sell the 2600 out today with more to follow and I wouldn't call £27 cheap. 

[Fly-By-TheWire]

3 minutes ago, PEANUT HEAD said:

Are you having a laugh leigh will out number Salford if they let them have the tickets they will sell the 2600 out today with more to follow and I wouldn't call £27 cheap. 

As another poster alluded to, I got it wrong and originally thought Leigh were at home, hence a low away following from Salford.

Incidentally, I believe you can get a £20 rate ticket at Salford, no?   Not bad compared to a big club.

[sweaty craiq]

[Fly-By-TheWire]

3 hours ago, Dave T said:

List of last Wire playoff games:

2021 v Hull KR (6.2k)

2020 v Hull FC (behind closed doors)

2019 v Cas (5.6k)

2016 v Saints (12.8k)

Unfair comparison.   Every Wire fan just knew we were going out in the first round of the playoffs from 2019 onwards.   Hardly worth turning up to!

Seriously though, I'll bet there's a bigger crowd next week.

Edited September 23, 2024 by Fly-By-TheWire