2025 Season Tickets/Memberships

[Trojan Horse]

2 hours ago, Dullish Mood said:

So have Bradford then?  Apart from 4/5 years of free tickets and sponge fingers?  How many times have they gone bankrupt now?

Bradford would have some but due to the long time elapsed since early 2000s, the state of their stadium id say there isn’t enough to reach the same level they were at. 
 

There would be some though.  

[Gerrumonside ref]

15 hours ago, Trojan Horse said:

Season tickets went on sale today only for current ST holders. Over 1000 renewed in day 1 with plenty of time to go for more. 

Is it the Super League is back and TJ is back factor?

Definitely a feel good factor at Trinity these days.

 

[sweaty craiq]

9 hours ago, Hopie said:

Enjoy the boom, and hope there isn't a bust that follows

We’ll no debt, best attendance for 70 years, no cheap tickets and huge corporate support means something seismic has to happen

[Kirmonds pouch]

On 25/10/2024 at 22:58, Championi said:

Huge latent fan base  we saw that before the young uncle ken took over huge

Dear god you’ve got the wrong club, get a grip.

[Kirmonds pouch]

57 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

We’ll no debt, best attendance for 70 years, no cheap tickets and huge corporate support means something seismic has to happen

No debt my backside. Huge corporate support, who? Ticket prices, I’ll take your word.

However what you are really being misleading about is this. You don’t own the LSV do you. You pay a huge rental and I know you do. You also don’t get a cut of the food and drink profit, and again I know you don’t.

Trinity own the ground, don’t pay rent and take all the profits from every pint and pie that gets sold.

What money Trinity lose on slightly cheaper tickets, they claw back and more with matchday retail. It’s important revenue wise for Trinity to get people in and spending than to get more from season tickets. Both would be nice, but as a first season club with no SL form having top priced ST is a lot to ask and probably counterproductive.

Trins approach will only be a slight failure if they sell less than 4000. If they sell more they will make as much from their ST holders than Leigh. 6000+ and it’s Trinity who win.

FWIW, the club has five bars open to the public and four food outlets. That’s a lot of pies and pints, and it’s all ours

Edited October 27, 2024 by Kirmonds pouch

[Damien]

I created a thread like this last season and its always useful to compare as a reference:

 

[Dullish Mood]

10 hours ago, Trojan Horse said:

Bradford would have some but due to the long time elapsed since early 2000s, the state of their stadium id say there isn’t enough to reach the same level they were at. 
 

There would be some though.  

Latent yes…..not “huge latent” as per original statement.

[LeytherRob]

2 hours ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

No debt my backside. Huge corporate support, who? Ticket prices, I’ll take your word.

However what you are really being misleading about is this. You don’t own the LSV do you. You pay a huge rental and I know you do. You also don’t get a cut of the food and drink profit, and again I know you don’t.

Trinity own the ground, don’t pay rent and take all the profits from every pint and pie that gets sold.

What money Trinity lose on slightly cheaper tickets, they claw back and more with matchday retail. It’s important revenue wise for Trinity to get people in and spending than to get more from season tickets. Both would be nice, but as a first season club with no SL form having top priced ST is a lot to ask and probably counterproductive.

Trins approach will only be a slight failure if they sell less than 4000. If they sell more they will make as much from their ST holders than Leigh. 6000+ and it’s Trinity who win.

FWIW, the club has five bars open to the public and four food outlets. That’s a lot of pies and pints, and it’s all ours

How much rent do Leigh pay?

[Click]

2 hours ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

No debt my backside. Huge corporate support, who? Ticket prices, I’ll take your word.

However what you are really being misleading about is this. You don’t own the LSV do you. You pay a huge rental and I know you do. You also don’t get a cut of the food and drink profit, and again I know you don’t.

Trinity own the ground, don’t pay rent and take all the profits from every pint and pie that gets sold.

What money Trinity lose on slightly cheaper tickets, they claw back and more with matchday retail. It’s important revenue wise for Trinity to get people in and spending than to get more from season tickets. Both would be nice, but as a first season club with no SL form having top priced ST is a lot to ask and probably counterproductive.

Trins approach will only be a slight failure if they sell less than 4000. If they sell more they will make as much from their ST holders than Leigh. 6000+ and it’s Trinity who win.

FWIW, the club has five bars open to the public and four food outlets. That’s a lot of pies and pints, and it’s all ours

Take a breath mate ..

[ricky]

9 hours ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

FWIW, the club has five bars open to the public and four food outlets. That’s a lot of pies and pints, and it’s all ours

None of them open to sell me a pie when I wanted it: after the game. And no burger van loitering nearby. Rent a space to a burger van. 

[sweaty craiq]

10 hours ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

No debt my backside. Huge corporate support, who? Ticket prices, I’ll take your word.

However what you are really being misleading about is this. You don’t own the LSV do you. You pay a huge rental and I know you do. You also don’t get a cut of the food and drink profit, and again I know you don’t.

Trinity own the ground, don’t pay rent and take all the profits from every pint and pie that gets sold.

What money Trinity lose on slightly cheaper tickets, they claw back and more with matchday retail. It’s important revenue wise for Trinity to get people in and spending than to get more from season tickets. Both would be nice, but as a first season club with no SL form having top priced ST is a lot to ask and probably counterproductive.

Trins approach will only be a slight failure if they sell less than 4000. If they sell more they will make as much from their ST holders than Leigh. 6000+ and it’s Trinity who win.

FWIW, the club has five bars open to the public and four food outlets. That’s a lot of pies and pints, and it’s all ours

So may folk think sales = profit, and that owning a ground is a great idea and of no risk. I understand the H&S at Trin is interesting as a visiting fan allocated a side section with Carp views, access and turnstiles - as I also understand the government freebie was used well to upgrade the derelict stand.

Some basic maths If £40k is taken in food and beer sales on matchday, profit will be £10-15k ish or £150k ish in the season, if 4000 season ticket holders paid £40 more that covers the profit on secondary sales.

I am not privileged to the detail of the current LSV lease agreement but the initial deal was Leigh got 11% of any profits, also when a crowd was above a certain figure I believe at was 7000 then there was no charge due to secondary income.

For a ground to make money it needs more than 13-15 games a season, it needs facilities that generate 52 week income like weddings, commercial office space, a soccer club like Man U ladies and reserves etc just like LSV now has. Just look at Saints income being hit recently

[phiggins]

On 27/10/2024 at 08:59, Kirmonds pouch said:

No debt my backside. Huge corporate support, who? Ticket prices, I’ll take your word.

However what you are really being misleading about is this. You don’t own the LSV do you. You pay a huge rental and I know you do. You also don’t get a cut of the food and drink profit, and again I know you don’t.

Trinity own the ground, don’t pay rent and take all the profits from every pint and pie that gets sold.

What money Trinity lose on slightly cheaper tickets, they claw back and more with matchday retail. It’s important revenue wise for Trinity to get people in and spending than to get more from season tickets. Both would be nice, but as a first season club with no SL form having top priced ST is a lot to ask and probably counterproductive.

Trins approach will only be a slight failure if they sell less than 4000. If they sell more they will make as much from their ST holders than Leigh. 6000+ and it’s Trinity who win.

FWIW, the club has five bars open to the public and four food outlets. That’s a lot of pies and pints, and it’s all ours

How?

[Harry Stottle]

On 27/10/2024 at 08:59, Kirmonds pouch said:

No debt my backside. Huge corporate support, who? Ticket prices, I’ll take your word.

However what you are really being misleading about is this. You don’t own the LSV do you. You pay a huge rental and I know you do. You also don’t get a cut of the food and drink profit, and again I know you don’t.

Trinity own the ground, don’t pay rent and take all the profits from every pint and pie that gets sold.

What money Trinity lose on slightly cheaper tickets, they claw back and more with matchday retail. It’s important revenue wise for Trinity to get people in and spending than to get more from season tickets. Both would be nice, but as a first season club with no SL form having top priced ST is a lot to ask and probably counterproductive.

Trins approach will only be a slight failure if they sell less than 4000. If they sell more they will make as much from their ST holders than Leigh. 6000+ and it’s Trinity who win.

FWIW, the club has five bars open to the public and four food outlets. That’s a lot of pies and pints, and it’s all ours

Owning g your own ground doesn't always mean bigger profits (it should) but look at Saints they are crying poverty.

[daz39]

On 24/10/2024 at 22:11, Kirmonds pouch said:

I don’t get why the Giants discount so heavily as it’s clearly not working. I reckon that anyone in Hudds who’s interested in them (not many) would buy them at normal prices anyway.

At Trinity it works because it has a huge latent fan base who just need coaxing back. So making the pricing accessible actually achieve something. I’ve seen people there this year who have been absent for years.

i accept we don’t have to compete head on with a football team which helps. But the truth is that despite its history Huddersfield is now 90% a football town, god knows why but it is. Nobody could have done more than Davey to change that, but after 20 years it seems a lost cause to me. 

Mainly as a reward for those who do continue to support the club, we know we aren't going to attract many new fans, we haven't done so for many years now and we also know that lapsed fans won't return while the fayre on offer is so poor, as you have alluded to not many people in our town have an interest in the Rugby League team.

Mr Davy is aware he makes a loss every year but he also is wary of losing the ones he does have due to pricing so rewards our small but loyal fan base with low cost tickets.

 

I alslo don't get how Wakefield can be deemed to have a 'huge, latent fan base' when historically, or at least in the time i've been aware of them have never attracted huge crowds, let's be honest this years crowds were high because of cheap/free season cards and a winning team.

How many of those who were there this year have been on the terraces in the last 10/15/20 years of Super League mediocrity and struggle?

I think RL's problem in general is attracting new fans to the sport, individual clubs who are winning will always pick up floating ex fans who want to jump on a bandwagon but big numberrs of new fans to the sport is not something we see in the game.

[Damien]

4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Owning g your own ground doesn't always mean bigger profits (it should) but look at Saints they are crying poverty.

Sports clubs generally don't exist to make profits and I can't recall them ever crying poverty. Saints have had great success, spend beyond the cap, have marquee players, have an academy, reserves etc. Owning a ground and the income from it facilitates that.

Edited October 28, 2024 by Damien

[Harry Stottle]

2 hours ago, Damien said:

Sports clubs generally don't exist to make profits and I can't recall them ever crying poverty. Saints have had great success, spend beyond the cap, have marquee players, have an academy, reserves etc. Owning a ground and the income from it facilitates that.

Then I must have dreamt that they want an increase in funding, why is that then?

[Father Gascoigne]

12 hours ago, daz39 said:

I think RL's problem in general is attracting new fans to the sport, individual clubs who are winning will always pick up floating ex fans who want to jump on a bandwagon but big numberrs of new fans to the sport is not something we see in the game.

I think that's because big numbers of new fans tend to come from new population centres, which necessitates clubs that represent those communities. It would be unrealistic to think that 50,000 people across Liverpool and Manchester will start supporting Wigan because they're successful, or Warrington or St Helens because they're nearby. 

I wouldn't deny people exist who follow clubs they have no geographical links to, but I suspect they represent a small percentage. In sports that are widely played and followed nationwide, this percentage increases, but even there has limits. The problem in rugby is that not enough communities outside of the heartlands are rooted in its culture. 

[M j M]

On 27/10/2024 at 19:41, sweaty craiq said:

as I also understand the government freebie was used well to upgrade the derelict stand.

How you enjoying your "government freebie" stadium over in Leigh?

[Damien]

14 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Then I must have dreamt that they want an increase in funding, why is that then?

Maybe you did. Either way that is hardly crying poverty is it?

If it was then Leigh certainly have, repeatedly.

[sweaty craiq]

3 minutes ago, M j M said:

How you enjoying your "government freebie" stadium over in Leigh?

This is a common error made  - LSV did not cost anyone a penny. It was a transaction that involved a land swap for facilities ie the developer built LSV, Harriers Leigh East and college in return for commercial land on which they built a hotel, supermarket, Specialist health facility and housing. 

Hope this helps

[Damien]

9 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

This is a common error made  - LSV did not cost anyone a penny. It was a transaction that involved a land swap for facilities ie the developer built LSV, Harriers Leigh East and college in return for commercial land on which they built a hotel, supermarket, Specialist health facility and housing. 

Hope this helps

Wigans own council accounts show it spent £17.6 million on Leigh Sports Village in 2007/8.

[Harry Stottle]

14 minutes ago, Damien said:

Maybe you did. Either way that is hardly crying poverty is it?

If it was then Leigh certainly have, repeatedly.

 Not in the last 6 years, since your quoted 'spat'.

But what has that got to do with Saints present day finances and wanting an increase in funding, any funding increases should be awarded under SL, let's call it 'Levelling up' got a good ring to it wouldn't you say?

[M j M]

It's not hard to understand: Saints without the financial benefits of their stadium would be reporting even worse losses.

Edited October 29, 2024 by M j M

[Harry Stottle]

2 minutes ago, Damien said:

Wigans own council accounts show it spent £17.6 million on Leigh Sports Village in 2007/8.

Good, it is only money a portion of the money Leigh folk have paid in rates whilst most of it is spent on Wigan.

I would vote for Lexit away from Wigan tomorrow.

I will leave it at that, so as not to interrupt the thread.

[Harry Stottle]

3 minutes ago, M j M said:

It's not hard to understand: Saints without the financial benefits of their stadium would be reporting even worse losses.

Quite, glad you agree that Saints are suffering losses.