2025 Season Tickets/Memberships

[Damien]

4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

 Not in the last 6 years, since your quoted 'spat'.

But what has that got to do with Saints present day finances and wanting an increase in funding, any funding increases should be awarded under SL, let's call it 'Levelling up' got a good ring to it wouldn't you say?

Beaumont literally moaned last week about funding and changed his tune now Leigh are an A grade to wanting a 10 team SL so Leigh can gobble up more funding.

[Damien]

1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Good, it is only money a portion of the money Leigh folk have paid in rates whilst most of it is spent on Wigan.

I would vote for Lexit away from Wigan tomorrow.

I will leave it at that, so as not to interrupt the thread.

Wasn't the point or Sweaty Craig's point though was it?

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, Damien said:

Beaumont literally moaned last week about funding and changed his tune now Leigh are an A grade to wanting a 10 team SL so Leigh can gobble up more funding.

He has been calling forward ten team SL for a good while now, something I would never agree with.

[sweaty craiq]

10 minutes ago, Damien said:

Wigans own council accounts show it spent £17.6 million on Leigh Sports Village in 2007/8.

Did it say on what? If building all that was built at commercial rates it would have been much higher than £17.6m

[M j M]

23 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Quite, glad you agree that Saints are suffering losses.

What a great straw man. Nobody claimed otherwise. No team in Super League is profitable.

[Damien]

29 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

Did it say on what? If building all that was built at commercial rates it would have been much higher than £17.6m

Just Leigh Sports Village so presumably building costs of the ground. That was just 1 year too, 2008/9 shows another spend of £6.5 million.

Other years when the ground was fully operational show operating costs, i.e £0.5 million operating cost and £0.2 million loans in 2009/10

Edited October 29, 2024 by Damien

[Damien]

35 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

He has been calling forward ten team SL for a good while now, something I would never agree with.

He was wanting SL to be expanded to 14 teams in 2021 instead of Leigh getting relegated.

[phiggins]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

Beaumont literally moaned last week about funding and changed his tune now Leigh are an A grade to wanting a 10 team SL so Leigh can gobble up more funding.

Sorry to be aother leigh fan jumping on a post about Beaumont , but I do think his comments about a 10 team SL has been misrepresented. He's always said that he wants the sport to aim for 20 FT teams, split into two leages with P&R.

I don't personally like the idea, but it is one he has been talking about ever since the introduction of the 8s, rather than something he's just started to say now Leigh are in SL. Having watched that podcast in full, it's sad to see how RL journalists have chosen to use the fact that he's such a divisive figure so they can remove some context and create some clickbait.

[Damien]

4 minutes ago, phiggins said:

Sorry to be aother leigh fan jumping on a post about Beaumont , but I do think his comments about a 10 team SL has been misrepresented. He's always said that he wants the sport to aim for 20 FT teams, split into two leages with P&R.

I don't personally like the idea, but it is one he has been talking about ever since the introduction of the 8s, rather than something he's just started to say now Leigh are in SL. Having watched that podcast in full, it's sad to see how RL journalists have chosen to use the fact that he's such a divisive figure so they can remove some context and create some clickbait.

You're the most sensible and reasoned Leigh poster on here so jump away .

I think that's contradictory. He can't moan about not enough money for 14 or even 12 teams then pretend we can have 2x10 full time leagues. If we don't have quality for 14 we certainly do t have it for 20. Anything else is just a renamed Championship and 10 clubs looking after themselves.

In 2021 when Leigh were facing relegation he wanted 14 teams. Now Leigh are in the club and an A grade he wants a bigger cut of money and SL cut to 10.

[Leyther_Matt]

24 minutes ago, Damien said:

You're the most sensible and reasoned Leigh poster on here so jump away .

I think that's contradictory. He can't moan about not enough money for 14 or even 12 teams then pretend we can have 2x10 full time leagues. If we don't have quality for 14 we certainly do t have it for 20. Anything else is just a renamed Championship and 10 clubs looking after themselves.

In 2021 when Leigh were facing relegation he wanted 14 teams. Now Leigh are in the club and an A grade he wants a bigger cut of money and SL cut to 10.

20 years of posting on here disregarded in a flash!

[Damien]

3 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

20 years of posting on here disregarded in a flash!

Don't worry, you're 2nd

[gingerjon]

31 minutes ago, Damien said:

You're the most sensible and reasoned Leigh poster on here

I mean, I've heard of damning with faint praise ...

[Damien]

3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I mean, I've heard of damning with faint praise ...

Hey, I don't set the standard of the competition! I would be loathe to go down the IMG route and do grading.

[phiggins]

39 minutes ago, Damien said:

You're the most sensible and reasoned Leigh poster on here so jump away .

I think that's contradictory. He can't moan about not enough money for 14 or even 12 teams then pretend we can have 2x10 full time leagues. If we don't have quality for 14 we certainly do t have it for 20. Anything else is just a renamed Championship and 10 clubs looking after themselves.

In 2021 when Leigh were facing relegation he wanted 14 teams. Now Leigh are in the club and an A grade he wants a bigger cut of money and SL cut to 10.

But from what I gather, he's not said we should be switching to 2x10s straight away? Either way, I think taking that suggestion, which has been discussed for a long time, and turning it into simply "reduce SL to 10 teams" is a bit of a misrepresentation. Beaumont, like most if not all owners will see things with an element of self interest, and this 2x10s system would benefit Leigh because it would mean if we were to drop to being club 15 or 16, then it's not a financial disaster. I don't see it as trying to completely cull the funding of 2 clubs. The 2021 proposal has self interest in it, but the anomaly that was put forward was that the season was so hit and miss that it was unfair to relegate anyone. Other clubs agreed, until they won a few games.

Anyway, I don't have time to discuss this any further, I'm off to @Leyther_Matt's house to collect my crown.

[Worzel]

2 hours ago, Damien said:

Beaumont literally moaned last week about funding and changed his tune now Leigh are an A grade to wanting a 10 team SL so Leigh can gobble up more funding.

The guy is a shameless, self-interested charlatan.

I’d bet a pound to a penny he is the driving force behind the ridiculous efforts to punish Catalans for daring to show what a progressive, value-added club looks like. 

[Damien]

9 minutes ago, phiggins said:

But from what I gather, he's not said we should be switching to 2x10s straight away? Either way, I think taking that suggestion, which has been discussed for a long time, and turning it into simply "reduce SL to 10 teams" is a bit of a misrepresentation. Beaumont, like most if not all owners will see things with an element of self interest, and this 2x10s system would benefit Leigh because it would mean if we were to drop to being club 15 or 16, then it's not a financial disaster. I don't see it as trying to completely cull the funding of 2 clubs. The 2021 proposal has self interest in it, but the anomaly that was put forward was that the season was so hit and miss that it was unfair to relegate anyone. Other clubs agreed, until they won a few games.

Anyway, I don't have time to discuss this any further, I'm off to @Leyther_Matt's house to collect my crown.

This is the trouble though, he contradicts himself on a weekly basis and even does so in the same interviews. He also hides behind phrases like what he senses and what others want. It's pure gaslighting much of the time and I find it far from sincere.

Even in this piece he simultaneously acts like he is the defender of other clubs while blatantly talking about things that benefit Leigh, at the expense of others.

[Blind side johnny]

Sorry to interrupt but season ticket pricing is relatively straightforward in SL where, at the very least you know how many teams will be in the league come 2025 and how many matches the tickets will give access to.

In the lower leagues we spend every close season on tenterhooks, waiting to see the makeup of our leagues and any last-minute reorganisations. Fixing a price for that is a mite tricky.

[LeytherRob]

6 hours ago, Damien said:

Beaumont literally moaned last week about funding and changed his tune now Leigh are an A grade to wanting a 10 team SL so Leigh can gobble up more funding.

It wasn’t just a 10 team SL he argues for, it’s the well publicised 2x10s of full time clubs, which would actually require further spreading of the pot than currently, as there would be 4 additional clubs sharing the majority of funding. His tune very much remains the same on that topic. 

[Damien]

50 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

It wasn’t just a 10 team SL he argues for, it’s the well publicised 2x10s of full time clubs, which would actually require further spreading of the pot than currently, as there would be 4 additional clubs sharing the majority of funding. His tune very much remains the same on that topic. 

3 years ago when Leigh were facing relegation he was arguing for a 14 team SL.

[Hopie]

35 minutes ago, Damien said:

3 years ago when Leigh were facing relegation he was arguing for a 14 team SL.

So he wanted a 14 team super league in the short term but wants a SL1 and SL2 with ten each in the medium to long term? There are a lot of Beaumont defenders, but there are plenty willing to reply to every defence too.

[LeytherRob]

13 minutes ago, Damien said:

3 years ago when Leigh were facing relegation he was arguing for a 14 team SL.

That is true, but he was still advocating 2x10s and pretty much has been since the middle 8s were scrapped. The idea for 14 was a response to the circumstances of post Covid and was driven by several clubs at the bottom end of the league who were in a working group together which fell apart when they picked up wins and Leigh didn’t. It should also be noted that the proposal you are referring to had very little funding for teams 13 and 14 and would have meant Leigh taking even less money that the half funding they took in 2021. 
 

Ultimately though, it doesn’t matter because it the above didn’t happen then DB probably isn’t motivated enough to go as deep into the pockets as he did in 2022 and Leigh would probably be a Championship club still.

[Snowys Backside]

1 hour ago, LeytherRob said:

That is true, but he was still advocating 2x10s and pretty much has been since the middle 8s were scrapped. The idea for 14 was a response to the circumstances of post Covid and was driven by several clubs at the bottom end of the league who were in a working group together which fell apart when they picked up wins and Leigh didn’t. It should also be noted that the proposal you are referring to had very little funding for teams 13 and 14 and would have meant Leigh taking even less money that the half funding they took in 2021. 
 

Ultimately though, it doesn’t matter because it the above didn’t happen then DB probably isn’t motivated enough to go as deep into the pockets as he did in 2022 and Leigh would probably be a Championship club still.

Wasn’t it teams like Wakefield that Derek had green eyes for who origiginally agreed to the 14 team SL only to shunt it once getting enough points to be free from relegation ?

Its what motivated him to what is Leigh today and to be fair, motivate Wakefield to be in a far better place because that was one team that needed a big kick up the backside !

As for the LSV, I believe Leigh have an 11% cut on a 85m pounds development ?  Might be wrong but either way, both teams are thriving and let’s hope that Oldham, Bradford, Widnes, Fax Fev and Toulouse can follow suit to make 20 competitive grade A sides in the next 5 years. 

[Josef K]

Saints have given Ben Davies a new contract. 
Fetch me my stick Margaret i want a new season ticket. 

[Leyther_Matt]

12 hours ago, phiggins said:

But from what I gather, he's not said we should be switching to 2x10s straight away? Either way, I think taking that suggestion, which has been discussed for a long time, and turning it into simply "reduce SL to 10 teams" is a bit of a misrepresentation. Beaumont, like most if not all owners will see things with an element of self interest, and this 2x10s system would benefit Leigh because it would mean if we were to drop to being club 15 or 16, then it's not a financial disaster. I don't see it as trying to completely cull the funding of 2 clubs. The 2021 proposal has self interest in it, but the anomaly that was put forward was that the season was so hit and miss that it was unfair to relegate anyone. Other clubs agreed, until they won a few games.

Anyway, I don't have time to discuss this any further, I'm off to @Leyther_Matt's house to collect my crown.

I’m at Stevenage away, but the wife has left it in the porch. Turn right at Tommy’s leopard print minibus.

[Leyther_Matt]

Also sadly I think 2 x 10 FT teams is moon man fodder.

If we get anything close to 14 (as we have in the past) then it’s an interesting conversation, but even then I think we always need a couple on the outside to drive competition levels.