Salford financial issues(again…)

[LeytherRob]

1 hour ago, dboy said:

I'm baffled by this notion that they will suddenly have a £7m cash windfall from this takeover, as well as the idea that an advertising screen will earn them £400k per year.

There was a comment in one of the reports, possibly from Chris Irwin, suggesting the billboard could earn up to £1M per year, which just seems wildly optimistic.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

1 hour ago, Celtic Roosters said:

No. I can't be bothered. I'm bored now and Snooker has just come on TV. Oh go on then. I saw Blackpool Borough in John Player trophy final, Rochdale Hornets in a Lancashire cup final and York in a Challenge cup final. I remember Featherstone Rovers playing at Wembley a couple of times. I saw Salford knocked out of the Challenge cup at Doncaster and Bramley. It's all far too predictable now.

During the 2010s, we had 6 different league leaders in 6 years (would have been 7 had Hull not lost on the last day!).

Up until last year, there had been 7 different Cup winners in a row and 11 teams contesting the final out of a possible 14 finalists. 

The only thing that's been predictable is the SL GF winners coming from one of three teams (previously one of four), but we're getting a bigger range of finalists now.

So not as predictable as you're making out overall.

[LeeF]

1 hour ago, LeytherRob said:

There was a comment in one of the reports, possibly from Chris Irwin, suggesting the billboard could earn up to £1M per year, which just seems wildly optimistic.

New board/ management but still issuing random non believable figures 

[Red Willow]

2 hours ago, dboy said:

I'm baffled by this notion that they will suddenly have a £7m cash windfall from this takeover, as well as the idea that an advertising screen will earn them £400k per year.

There is an electronic board on Regent Road  and the income from that is something massive. The ground is on a very busy road so it isn't that far fetched.

[dboy]

It really is.

 

[dboy]

The Cost of Billboard Advertising (2025 Rental Prices) - 75Media

"London’s Piccadilly Circus and its famous billboards are passed by an estimated two million people each week, which is why a classic, 96-sheet billboard in this location can cost in excess of £727 per week (+ VAT)."

[LeytherRob]

4 minutes ago, Red Willow said:

There is an electronic board on Regent Road  and the income from that is something massive. The ground is on a very busy road so it isn't that far fetched.

I think the figures are pretty far fetched when you consider the media company managing it will likely take the lions share of that revenue, since they’ll be the ones actually managing it and selling the space on the billboard.

[dboy]

Just now, LeytherRob said:

I think the figures are pretty far fetched when you consider the media company managing it will likely take the lions share of that revenue, since they’ll be the ones actually managing it and selling the space on the billboard.

And a portion goes towards paying off the outlay and the running costs too.

It's bunkum that this will be a mega-earner.

[dboy]

How Much Does Billboard Advertising Cost? [UK - 2025] > One Day Agency

"Additionally, there are over 20 media owners in the UK, and their pricing varies significantly.

For instance, regional media owners in the North West often charge a fraction of the cost compared to premium media owners in London due to differences in audience impacts."

[Padge]

2 hours ago, Celtic Roosters said:

No. I can't be bothered. I'm bored now and Snooker has just come on TV. Oh go on then. I saw Blackpool Borough in John Player trophy final, Rochdale Hornets in a Lancashire cup final and York in a Challenge cup final. I remember Featherstone Rovers playing at Wembley a couple of times. I saw Salford knocked out of the Challenge cup at Doncaster and Bramley. It's all far too predictable now.

Blackpool was Regal Trophy (to split a hair), Widnes played in both finals before that and 3 finals after that.The two finals after both had Warrington and Widnes in them of the the four finals after Warrington were in three. Two of the finals catalogued had Bradford in them.

In those 8 years only 4 different Winners and only 3 other teams were the losers. 7 different teams involved.

In the last 8 Years the Challenge Cup has had 7 different winners and 4 other teams have appeared as runners up. 10 different teams involved.

I'll leave it there.

[RP London]

23 minutes ago, dboy said:

The Cost of Billboard Advertising (2025 Rental Prices) - 75Media

"London’s Piccadilly Circus and its famous billboards are passed by an estimated two million people each week, which is why a classic, 96-sheet billboard in this location can cost in excess of £727 per week (+ VAT)."

Oooh look at you with your facts

[dboy]

I must say, TBF, that's per add, and there will be a number of adds on rotation - but take off all the costs, charges and taxes generated and it cannot in any universe generate the incomes suggested by SRD.

One site suggests 6 adds on a 10 second rotation throughout the day, charged for a 2 week period, for between £500 and a £1000 per add.

Best case gross under that scenario is £156k per year (before costs).

[Tommygilf]

9 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

During the 2010s, we had 6 different league leaders in 6 years (would have been 7 had Hull not lost on the last day!).

Up until last year, there had been 7 different Cup winners in a row and 11 teams contesting the final out of a possible 14 finalists. 

The only thing that's been predictable is the SL GF winners coming from one of three teams (previously one of four), but we're getting a bigger range of finalists now.

So not as predictable as you're making out overall.

I just think as some people get older the past (and their youth) often just looks better and everything else is not as good anymore.

Likewise tastes and preferences change.

[Taffy Tiger]

5 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

I just think as some people get older the past (and their youth) often just looks better and everything else is not as good anymore.

Likewise tastes and preferences change.

Disagree , right I'm off to have some opal fruits and a marathon bar and wash it all down with some lilt 

[Wakefield Ram]

18 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

During the 2010s, we had 6 different league leaders in 6 years (would have been 7 had Hull not lost on the last day!).

Up until last year, there had been 7 different Cup winners in a row and 11 teams contesting the final out of a possible 14 finalists. 

The only thing that's been predictable is the SL GF winners coming from one of three teams (previously one of four), but we're getting a bigger range of finalists now.

So not as predictable as you're making out overall.

13 out of 14 League Leaders and GF winners over last 7 years have been Wigan and Saints. But CC has been quite different. Given the huge discrepancy in playing budgets, it's likely that there's only 3-4 clubs with any prospect of being League Leaders/GF winners before a ball is kicked. 

But in a one-off cup competition there's more chance of an upset. 

[johnh1]

18 hours ago, Padge said:

Blackpool was Regal Trophy (to split a hair), Widnes played in both finals before that and 3 finals after that.The two finals after both had Warrington and Widnes in them of the the four finals after Warrington were in three. Two of the finals catalogued had Bradford in them.

In those 8 years only 4 different Winners and only 3 other teams were the losers. 7 different teams involved.

In the last 8 Years the Challenge Cup has had 7 different winners and 4 other teams have appeared as runners up. 10 different teams involved.

I'll leave it there.

 

 

Edited March 19 by johnh1

[ELBOWSEYE]

1 hour ago, Wakefield Ram said:

13 out of 14 League Leaders and GF winners over last 7 years have been Wigan and Saints. But CC has been quite different. Given the huge discrepancy in playing budgets, it's likely that there's only 3-4 clubs with any prospect of being League Leaders/GF winners before a ball is kicked. 

But in a one-off cup competition there's more chance of an upset. 

League leaders facts are incorrect, Warrington twice, Huddersfield and Catalan and Cas

[Red Willow]

20 hours ago, dboy said:

How Much Does Billboard Advertising Cost? [UK - 2025] > One Day Agency

"Additionally, there are over 20 media owners in the UK, and their pricing varies significantly.

For instance, regional media owners in the North West often charge a fraction of the cost compared to premium media owners in London due to differences in audience impacts."

There is an article in MEN from 2014 that says the one electronic board was worth £5M over a 10 year period. That was 10 years ago.

[Wakefield Ram]

43 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

League leaders facts are incorrect, Warrington twice, Huddersfield and Catalan and Cas

Last 7 years of each so 14. All Saints and Wigan except Catalans once. 

[dboy]

The Megatron advertising board didn't even exist 10 years ago.

SRD fans are the most gullible chumps on the face of the Earth.

Edited March 19 by dboy

[Padge]

5 hours ago, Wakefield Ram said:

13 out of 14 League Leaders and GF winners over last 7 years have been Wigan and Saints. But CC has been quite different. Given the huge discrepancy in playing budgets, it's likely that there's only 3-4 clubs with any prospect of being League Leaders/GF winners before a ball is kicked. 

But in a one-off cup competition there's more chance of an upset. 

If you look at the top 3 from the 1980s and compare it with the top 3 in SL since the Super 8s lunacy was scrapped you get 10 different teams in the top 3 for each era. Yes Saints and Wigan have dominated, but there is variety in who is challenging at the top (lack of variety compared to some mystical golden era was the accusation). 

If you look at how the mix works in different eras it is very much the same, you have dominant teams for a while, with challengers coming in, the dominance of teams wains and others step in.

Wigan were dominant pre SL but struggled at the start of SL, early years Bradford and Saints dominated, Bradford slid out and Leeds stepped up and dominated, and when they fell from grace it was Saints turn to step up a gear, their star is now falling and Wigan look to be (or did until last weekend) on the march. The other teams who have been rising to the challenge but then falling off need to look at how teams do it instead of moaning and saying the sytems/structure need to change.

In the early 80s Hull, Hull KR and Widnes looked like they would dominate for ever, none of them did.

Edited March 19 by Padge

[Red Willow]

1 hour ago, dboy said:

The Megatron advertising board didn't even exist 10 years ago.

SRD fans are the most gullible chumps on the face of the Earth.

Council hit jackpot with advertising arch over motorway - Manchester Evening News

The date on that article is 2014

[dboy]

And yet it never happened. How is that "jackpot" going?

£10m TO THE COUNCIL, NOT THE CLUB, is £500k per annum.

It is bunkum - it will not generate that amount of revenue.

Typical Salford running a business with ifs, buts and maybes, and numbers plucked out of the air.

Maybe just for once they could actually make a proper business plan!

 

Edited March 19 by dboy

[dboy]

And not a chance on Earth that a giant TV screen over the motorway is ever getting approval on safety grounds!

[Ethereal]

1 hour ago, Red Willow said:

Council hit jackpot with advertising arch over motorway - Manchester Evening News

The date on that article is 2014

That says the council will be paid 5m over 10 years for allowing the arch to be built, rather than it generating that much income.

I'd suggest that the company could be expecting to make their money back in the long-term (since the advertising will continue beyond 10 years) rather than simply saying that it must be generating the full fee over the 10 years.