SL clubs look to reinstate Nigel Wood.

[Chrispmartha]

11 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Nearly correct Chris, I said if my club was in a position that results were immaterial to what was happening on the field of play, i.e. it was of no consequence what the result was if they won or lost then I would stop going, I could not envisage standing, cheering, commenting, exasperating what was going on in front of me and if we lost and at the end say 'well it doesn't matter anyway' not for me mate.

So that could happen this year, yet you bought a season ticket?

That could also happen in a league with normal P&R, would you have stopped going then also?

[Harry Stottle]

6 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Salford.

 

ill ask you a question.

Which team would you prefer in the top tier of the sport Harry?

The team with a very good fanbase and wealthy owners, who’s had a few bad seasons.

The team who’s had some great seasons in the last few years but now can’t afford to pay their players or debts.

Can Salford turn things round Chris?

Only 3 years ago when my club got promoted with an average of less than 3,000, the clamour on here was Toulouse should be promoted instead and "What will Leigh do/bring for SL" well that question I believe has been answered, can Salfords I really hope it can in a positive fashion.

NB, Leigh also were castigated again on these pages only a few years before the last promotion as a club who could not pay their players it was well documented on here.

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, Chrispmartha said:

So that could happen this year, yet you bought a season ticket?

That could also happen in a league with normal P&R, would you have stopped going then also?

You don't listen or read what I have said, in normal P&R that would be exciting I would be watching it unfold - feeling the emotions, I have been there many times.

Yes I bought a season ticket this season, more in expectation that what I think they will do, unlike the Sky experts who now for two years on the trot have Leigh dropping out of the top 6 to be replaced by your club and alsothis year by Catalan, that may well happen but I will there watching it.

[Chrispmartha]

6 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

You don't listen or read what I have said, in normal P&R that would be exciting I would be watching it unfold - feeling the emotions, I have been there many times.

Yes I bought a season ticket this season, more in expectation that what I think they will do, unlike the Sky experts who now for two years on the trot have Leigh dropping out of the top 6 to be replaced by your club and alsothis year by Catalan, that may well happen but I will there watching it.

In normal P&R your club could be playing for nothing for quite a few games of the season, I’m asking you would you go to those meaningless games?

[Harry Stottle]

5 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

In normal P&R your club could be playing for nothing for quite a few games of the season, I’m asking you would you go to those meaningless games?

I honestly couldn't say I would be that bothered going Chris, which will please Mrs Stottle no end she moans every year when I give her the fixture list and tell her not to book any holidays that will coincide with home games and those I have highlighted were I may travel to.

Edited March 17 by Harry Stottle

[Worzel]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

It's sport Worzel, a conduit to bring all the emotions and senses into play i.e. excitement, sadness, happiness, fear, pain, satisfaction etc, that is why we (well me) go to watch live sport, if you are happy as no doubt you have expressed on numerous occasions to settle for something more mundane, I suggest you and those of your ilk take up train spotting or stamp collecting or better still scrutinising Excel Spreadsheets.

What are you on about? Most sports around the globe have an elite league where entrants aren’t at risk of being kicked out every year, that’s what’s normal… are they not sport? Is the NRL instead just a pastime like tiddlywinks?

There’s more to life than copying football systems you know. 

[Harry Stottle]

Just now, Worzel said:

What are you on about? Most sports around the globe have an elite league where entrants aren’t at risk of being kicked out every year, that’s what’s normal… are they not sport? Is the NRL instead just a pastime like tiddlywinks?

There’s more to life than copying football systems you know. 

I love it when you pro banish P&R lot want to quote overseas sports as a desperation excuse, in this country we like our jeopardy it is what sporting conflicts are all about ultimate winners and losers, it even happens in the pub darts and dominoes league here where I live, just wish we had a tiddlywinks league to throw that back.

And there's more to life than copying sports around the globe. 

[RP London]

2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Look at my club, and you will understand that I have been through P&R with them more than most fans of other clubs, also I loved the M8's whatever the consequences it resulted in, so sorry to dissapoint, but "as long as it's not me" does not apply.

I've said this to you before about clipping posts, it's extremely rude... Read the whole thing and actually quote it properly.. read it... What you have said completely misses the entire point.. it has nothing to do with you and all to do with the people who ACTUALLY have jeopardy in this.. not the bloke who loses nothing sitting in the stands... What you point out is the utter arrogance and "as long as it isn't me" that I'm calling out. 

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, RP London said:

I've said this to you before about clipping posts, it's extremely rude... Read the whole thing and actually quote it properly.. read it... What you have said completely misses the entire point.. it has nothing to do with you and all to do with the people who ACTUALLY have jeopardy in this.. not the bloke who loses nothing sitting in the stands... What you point out is the utter arrogance and "as long as it isn't me" that I'm calling out. 

We who sit in stands and occupy the terraces have a big interest in this, if we didn't exist there would be no game to speak of.

Most people clip posts to the relevant points they want to get across, don't reply to me in the future if it bothers you so much.

[Adelaide Tiger]

Quick comment from me.

If IMG stay on board - as it is claimed on here that there is no break clause - then at least the review overseen by Wood plus IMG’s contribution, can offer a long term joined up vision to potential investors to hopefully increase income into the game.

BUT, if there is a break clause, and IMG are dispensed off.  THEN, can anyone on here please enlighten me how this review led by Wood can increase investment in the game by basically offering the same to SKY as was on the table prior to the last SKY deal.

Thanks"

[Anita Bath]

2 hours ago, Worzel said:

What are you on about? Most sports around the globe have an elite league where entrants aren’t at risk of being kicked out every year, that’s what’s normal… are they not sport? Is the NRL instead just a pastime like tiddlywinks?

There’s more to life than copying football systems you know. 

But those sports by and large have never had P&R. In RL we went from a large single division with end of season play offs to a two (and later three) division format with P&R and end of season play offs to  three division format with (effectively) no P&R. This has been ‘supported’ by a heavy concentration of TV and sponsorship money into one of those divisions.

yes there is more to life than copying other systems…and that includes copying the NRL.

 

 

[Anita Bath]

6 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Shocking how you can be worse than them really, but we have 24 of those!

Some clubs exist without handouts from taxpayers and miniscule subsidies from RFL. That is success in itself.

[Liverpool Rover]

3 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

I love it when you pro banish P&R lot want to quote overseas sports as a desperation excuse, in this country we like our jeopardy it is what sporting conflicts are all about ultimate winners and losers, it even happens in the pub darts and dominoes league here where I live, just wish we had a tiddlywinks league to throw that back.

And there's more to life than copying sports around the globe. 

I don't get this need for there to be constant jeopardy and how you can't be a proper sport without it. It comes across to me that the consequences for losing should be bigger than the prize of winning which is the wrong way round to me.

[gingerjon]

8 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

In normal P&R your club could be playing for nothing for quite a few games of the season, I’m asking you would you go to those meaningless games?

I know Harry hates mentioning other sports, except when he mentions other sports, but the last game of association football I went to was one where the home team is 10th and the visitors were 11th in a league of 20. Can’t go up, can’t go down. A literal jeopardy free game and with several weeks to go.

Crowd was bang on average and the game played as if there was a Cup final place on the line.

Maybe it’s the incredibly demanding nature of RL that means it’s easier to get involved in games without jeopardy in other sports but for RL there has to be something on the line.

It is part of a wider fans’ attitude that I’ve always found a bit weird.

[Stanley30]

What the hell is going on with RL at the moment?

[Chrispmartha]

5 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I know Harry hates mentioning other sports, except when he mentions other sports, but the last game of association football I went to was one where the home team is 10th and the visitors were 11th in a league of 20. Can’t go up, can’t go down. A literal jeopardy free game and with several weeks to go.

Crowd was bang on average and the game played as if there was a Cup final place on the line.

Maybe it’s the incredibly demanding nature of RL that means it’s easier to get involved in games without jeopardy in other sports but for RL there has to be something on the line.

It is part of a wider fans’ attitude that I’ve always found a bit weird.

Yes I’ve never quite got it either.

Its the same with excitement, some RL fans hold the sport to an impossible standard where every game has to be a classic.

I enjoy watching RL, there doesn’t need to be ‘jeopardy’ or something on the line for me to do so.

[RP London]

8 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

We who sit in stands and occupy the terraces have a big interest in this, if we didn't exist there would be no game to speak of.

Most people clip posts to the relevant points they want to get across, don't reply to me in the future if it bothers you so much.

You clipped, missing the full point out.. the whole post was relevant. Jeopardy isn't about getting entertainment out of people losing their jobs and more. It isn't about the people in the stands it's about the players on the pitch and the staff that one game, one piece of bad luck can see their world fall in on them. I've seen it first hand with people I know who work in sport and the stress levels are immense. But if you find that "entertaining" then you're right I won't reply to you..

[Griff]

59 minutes ago, Stanley30 said:

What the hell is going on with RL at the moment?

It's being run by people with little or no empathy with the game.

[RP London]

6 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

But those sports by and large have never had P&R. In RL we went from a large single division with end of season play offs to a two (and later three) division format with P&R and end of season play offs to  three division format with (effectively) no P&R. This has been ‘supported’ by a heavy concentration of TV and sponsorship money into one of those divisions.

yes there is more to life than copying other systems…and that includes copying the NRL.

 

 

The problem now is the size of the step down. I'd have P&R if it were more like football where the step down isn't so big and damaging to a club/player. That's circle trying to be squared IMHO

[Worzel]

9 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

I love it when you pro banish P&R lot want to quote overseas sports as a desperation excuse, in this country we like our jeopardy it is what sporting conflicts are all about ultimate winners and losers, it even happens in the pub darts and dominoes league here where I live, just wish we had a tiddlywinks league to throw that back.

And there's more to life than copying sports around the globe. 

Okaaaay. Back to the point: Do you still believe that sports without a simple promotion and relegation system to their elite league are not actual sports?

[Harry Stottle]

6 hours ago, Liverpool Rover said:

I don't get this need for there to be constant jeopardy and how you can't be a proper sport without it. It comes across to me that the consequences for losing should be bigger than the prize of winning which is the wrong way round to me.

No-one has said that Rover.

[Gooleboy]

1 hour ago, Stanley30 said:

What the hell is going on with RL at the moment?

Self interest and self preservation will always play a major part in the running of RL in this country as we have seen over many years now. 

[gingerjon]

43 minutes ago, RP London said:

The problem now is the size of the step down. I'd have P&R if it were more like football where the step down isn't so big and damaging to a club/player. That's circle trying to be squared IMHO

And even football doesn’t have straightforward P&R. There are enforced standards. And there is a point where it is based on application not on field.

Nobody on here seems to believe relegation from League 1 is essential but, apparently, it is for Super League.

[Tommygilf]

16 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

And even football doesn’t have straightforward P&R. There are enforced standards. And there is a point where it is based on application not on field.

Nobody on here seems to believe relegation from League 1 is essential but, apparently, it is for Super League.

The other "national" sport, Cricket, of course has an enforced membership by invitation only competion. But yes its everyone else that's the anomaly here...

[RP London]

3 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

The other "national" sport, Cricket, of course has an enforced membership by invitation only competion. But yes its everyone else that's the anomaly here...

Let alone all the other "minor sports" that are all invitation only leagues... But they don't count because they are too small/imported/no tradition (delete as applicable)