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Just a thought. .....

when you buy a ST its to watch for entertainment and as a hobby....you dont expect a return for your money or to make a profit....

when a rich person buys a club it will be as a hobby plaything to entertain them....why is he expectex to make money or make a profit?? They want the same as the fans....a successful club.....

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I see what you did there. Your idea we have to have 10 "new" clubs in 10 places "across the UK" discounts the obvious solution that would be far more workable.

 

Pick 10 big existing clubs, put them in places where RL has a strong presence, can attract five figure crowds, and has a large enough junior base to produce pro players.

 

Wigan, Saints, Warrington, Hull, Leeds, Bradford Wakefield, Catalans, Toulouse. Pump all the resources in that and manage it across the board so its always on an even keel and properly funded.

 

Now add in Leigh to make 10. So what do you think? (see what I did there?)

Why Wakefield? The District may be named after the City, but the bulk of the population in WMDC is centred around Pontefract, which is approx 2-3 miles equidistant from Cas, Fev & Knottingley. Wakefield is stuck out on a limb far to the west of the district. - Study the map!

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Why Wakefield? The District may be named after the City, but the bulk of the population in WMDC is centred around Pontefract, which is approx 2-3 miles equidistant from Cas, Fev & Knottingley. Wakefield is stuck out on a limb far to the west of the district. - Study the map!

Pontefract United RLFC. Done. Next?

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Why Wakefield? The District may be named after the City, but the bulk of the population in WMDC is centred around Pontefract, which is approx 2-3 miles equidistant from Cas, Fev & Knottingley. Wakefield is stuck out on a limb far to the west of the district. - Study the map!

is that right ? They should move the cathedral, the ridings,Trinity walk, the cathedral park , unit 41 etc to ponte then instead of been stuck out on a limb in the wilderness. Joking aside the 2-3 miles around Wakefield Central which includes all the estates and villages traditionally classed as Wakefield is a large populated area which is getting more populated all the time. What people outside the WMDC need to understand is Wakefield, cas and Pontefract are 3 separate areas and people of Wakefield have no affiliation to cas or ponte and that's replicated from the residents of cas and ponte, WDMC is a made up region .

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Pontefract United RLFC. Done. Next?

It would have stood a much better chance of success than the proposal for "Calder", and somewhere near to Pontefract Racecourse would have been the logical site for a new stadium, with or without Trinity! (Not that I was in favour!)

Before we talk about mergers or preference of one club over another, maybe it would be useful to commission a  geographically study of Rugby League areas and its peoples by one of the northern Universities?  

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is that right ? They should move the cathedral, the ridings,Trinity walk, the cathedral park , unit 41 etc to ponte then instead of been stuck out on a limb in the wilderness. Joking aside the 2-3 miles around Wakefield Central which includes all the estates and villages traditionally classed as Wakefield is a large populated area which is getting more populated all the time. What people outside the WMDC need to understand is Wakefield, cas and Pontefract are 3 separate areas and people of Wakefield have no affiliation to cas or ponte and that's replicated from the residents of cas and ponte, WDMC is a made up region .

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True, the district is asymetrical; Wakefield gets all the investment, but the majority of the council tax payers are way over to the east.  We don't want the same to happen in Rugby League! The district would have been better off if it had been named like Kirklees; something like Osgoldcross & Agbrigg after the old Wapentakes.

But it is stupid to talk about nominating Wakefield to represent the district. 

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True, the district is asymetrical; Wakefield gets all the investment, but the majority of the council tax payers are way over to the east. We don't want the same to happen in Rugby League! The district would have been better off if it had been named like Kirklees; something like Osgoldcross & Agbrigg after the old Wapentakes.

But it is stupid to talk about nominating Wakefield to represent the district.

Wakefield shouldn't represent the so called district we should have nothing to do with the district we should be back to Wakefield City Council . As for investment Wakefield needed it after the City centre being neglected for years compared to Leeds Huddersfield Barnsley. Anyway of to get the Wakefield Express tomorrow, surprised we don't have to share our local paper like some small towns out on a limb.

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Wakefield shouldn't represent the so called district we should have nothing to do with the district we should be back to Wakefield City Council . As for investment Wakefield needed it after the City centre being neglected for years compared to Leeds Huddersfield Barnsley. Anyway of to get the Wakefield Express tomorrow, surprised we don't have to share our local paper like some small towns out on a limb.

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Why Wakefield? The District.....

 

Has over 20,000 fans prepared to pay to watch RL and can produce a home grown side to rival Wigan and Leeds.

 

So the game desperately needs a club in the Wakefield area to harness and build those resources in one place which can return success and profit.

 

As it is the Wakefield area has three useless clubs who have failed to win anything between them and have all been in the championship more than in the top four.

 

Petty rivalries are killing the game there, that's why we need one club in the Wakefield district, I don't care who it is, you clearly do Steve......

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What people outside the WMDC need to understand is Wakefield, cas and Pontefract are 3 separate areas and people of Wakefield have no affiliation to cas or ponte.

 

Yes and Hunslet, Bramley and North Leeds are three separate areas as far as Rugby League goes too.

 

If your three go on going bust, getting relegated and drifting in the championship then thousands of new fans won't bother to watch failure, and all the best players will just go sign for Leeds Huddersfield and Hull. Once the diehard fans die out crowds can drop even further.

 

It's the historic affiliations that are creating this situation, nobody in Wakefield has an affinity to Leeds United as they are two separate cities??.

 

As long as this sort of argument succeeds the clubs will slowly sink into the very history that is dragging them down. Opening up SL to 24, many small clubs, will be a disaster, let's hope they don't do it today.

 

Derbies and administration all round.

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Before we talk about mergers or preference of one club over another, maybe it would be useful to commission a  geographically study of Rugby League areas and its peoples by one of the northern Universities?  

 

I think we need a study of why strong Rugby League areas have been in decline for many years.

 

I remember Swinton and Salford going well, I remember Hunslet, Bramley and Leeds all going OK.

One day you may remember when Cas had a ground down Wheldon road, Wakefield used to be in Superleague and Featherstone had a rich owner but he walked away eventually.

 

If "fans" supported their clubs through the tough times fine, but they don't.

 

I don't suppose with respect diehards wish for anything other than their clubs survival as the club it always was no matter how low it sinks. But it gets down in time to a couple of hundred interested parties getting the begging buckets out.

 

You may think the Wakey area clubs are big clubs but so were Hunslet, Swinton and Oldham

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Petty rivalries are killing the game there, that's why we need one club in the Wakefield district, I don't care who it is, you clearly do Steve......

Aren't petty rivalries what the game is about? How about Leeds v Bradford? Isn't that fairly petty?  Wigan v Saints, again petty. Or can we substitute the word petty with the word derby?

Say some dictator figure came in and demanded mergers between the Wakefield Met sides, the Hull sides, the North Cheshire sides, who would then fill the gaps left? Surely not clubs from outside the "heartlands?"  How many times have we tried this, and how much money have we thrown at it, and how often has it failed?  What potential club owner in his right mind would invest in starting a new club from scratch with the current structure of no P&R?  His club doomed to play in the lower league until someone decreed they could have a go in SL?  Not an attractive business proposition.

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Why do people continue to push their agenda to rid the game if things they don't like but others do to have more of the same?

Let's get rid of derbies, let's get rid of the dream, let's get rid of the danger of under-performing. Let's just passionless unmotivated robots playing every game every week. If that's your thing, fair enough. But I like to see a mix of the underdog, the local derby bragging rights AND big clubs meeting each other in games that will be considered bigger because they're rarer occurrences.

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Wellsy4HullFC, on 17 Jan 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

Why do people continue to push their agenda to rid the game if things they don't like but others do to have more of the same?

Let's get rid of derbies, let's get rid of the dream, let's get rid of the danger of under-performing. Let's just passionless unmotivated robots playing every game every week. If that's your thing, fair enough. But I like to see a mix of the underdog, the local derby bragging rights AND big clubs meeting each other in games that will be considered bigger because they're rarer occurrences.

That's excellent.

You haven't said how you're going to do it though.

Under 3x8 the big clubs will play each other more. Under 12 with 1 up and 1 down, they'll play each other ... the same or more. If we keep things the same they'll play each other the same.

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Last orders at the bar.....surely this thread will be closing soon (ish) 

 

Silly me, even when we get any announcements, we'll then move on to debating their merits

 

 

So...as you were

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Last orders at the bar.....surely this thread will be closing soon (ish) 

 

That was a voluntary tackle.

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Apparently, they don't meet with the Championship clubs until 3 Feb....so maybe nothing will be announced until after that?

 

I very much doubt any embargo will be honoured , as those 'in the know' are not renowned for holding their own water

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