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Has there been any word anywhere on whether there are any plans at all for what was the Northern Rail Cup?  I know it's dead for 2014.

 

When could it possibly be played ?  There are no weeks left.

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When could it possibly be played ?  There are no weeks left.

 

That was the rather glum conclusion I'd come to myself.

 

Oh well.  Nobody wants to give lower league teams chances of silverware, I guess.  Where's the fun in winning trophies?

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1 up and down didnt work before (though was better than licensing). One spot didnt allow enough hope and refreshment for teams outside SL. Also the relegated club usually had an excessive parachute payment which put them at the advantage - also remember that RL has far more big clubs than RU outside their respective top flights, so its important to maintain interest for clubs outside SL. Should this new scheme not work (and I think it will), then 2 up 2 down would be a good compromise

 

Lobby that's utter rubbish - Bristol, Bedford, Cornish Pirates and even Leeds Carnegie are bigger than Championship clubs and the two Exile clubs would pick up more expat backers and plastic Scots / Welsh fans in the top flight. I cannot think of any "big" clubs outside Superleague.

 

Now if you were using the Greene King IPA Championship as an argument for P&R then you might be on more solid ground until you consider that the majority of these clubs are geographically isolated and thus do not compete for fans with other clubs, can get financial backers, do have a youth system and most importantly are better run off the field which is why a club like Exeter can thrive in the top division.

 

Sorry folks not trying to encourage more tedious Union - League postings but some factually inaccurate posts need challenging.

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That was the rather glum conclusion I'd come to myself.

 

Oh well.  Nobody wants to give lower league teams chances of silverware, I guess.  Where's the fun in winning trophies?

 

I have to say that the concept of each division effectively having its own Cup, whilst not being barred from winning a Cup for a higher division (however unlikely that may be) was genius.

 

But - hey - let's go for some convoluted system where the winner's not so clear and the Big Day Out is exclusively for Fourth and Fifth.

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And you been a Wakefield Fan (martyn) can probably see your shiny new stadium and thus future slipping away, because should you get relegated it will be very hard to justify the build. Good luck

The Wakefield Community Stadium would still go ahead SL or not . If we did get relegated the new system allows the chance to get straight back up doesn't it? so I would have though the removal of licensing would be a good argument against the no SL no community rumour. Im starting to warm to this new option as I hear the other option wasn't that good for the whole game + for clubs like us cas, Bradford it could increase investment as they know we won't be out of the top flight for at least 3 years due to licensing.

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The Wakefield Community Stadium would still go ahead SL or not . If we did get relegated the new system allows the chance to get straight back up doesn't it? so I would have though the removal of licensing would be a good argument against the no SL no community rumour. Im starting to warm to this new option as I hear the other option wasn't that good for the whole game + for clubs like us cas, Bradford it could increase investment as they know we won't be out of the top flight for at least 3 years due to licensing.

 

Investment ?  In what by whom ?

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I have to say that the concept of each division effectively having its own Cup, whilst not being barred from winning a Cup for a higher division (however unlikely that may be) was genius.

 

The only downside to it was to not have the games played in Blackpool.

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So if i've got this right,some people are saying its ok for wakefield to be in sl and constantly failing and going into admin cos they've got nothing to lose but fev shouldn't be allowed in because they're a cracking club thats well run,makes a profit and owns its own stadium and land?

 

 fev shouldn't be allowed in

 

Now you are making things up. Whoever said Featherstone Rovers "should not be allowed in"?

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What is so galling is its perpetuated by our own media.......... we hark on about national media not giving us a fair ride.  But our own RL press are continually decisive  and undermining.  They say they care and its their duty blah blah blah.  They could do much more to SELL the sport to different groups!  More stuff on players lifestyles, stuff that appeals to the younger fan.

I would like our Media to become the next big expansion area and bee more independent.   Instead of a couple of blokes in brighouse running lifestyle business off the back of our sport. 

 

There are some very good modern RL Jurnos out their, they are been held back bye their dinosaur editors.  And that is from the horses mouth so as to speak and why many are turning to creating web based media themselves.  We are on the cusp of a media revolution in League and the old guard no it !!!

 

 

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 fev shouldn't be allowed in

 

Now you are making things up. Whoever said Featherstone Rovers "should not be allowed in"?

 

I believe you'll find the first poster to say that was jpmc.

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so under P&R they were saved from relegation several times hmmmm sounds like licensing to me......

Completely wrong. It as p and r with standards and it just so happened that Dewsbury and Hunslet won the championships and both were denied promotion because of grounds or maybe financing I can't exactly remember but they didn't meet the standards so Huddersfield were saved from relegation.

eventually some team were deemed fit for promotion and Huddersfield were relegated. I can't remember which team went up to replace the Giants.

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No.  You said was the new system more complex than the old one.  Given that in the old one there were only two parts and that for six of the teams nothing happened once they didn't make the play offs obviously it's more complicated now.

 

But, just for you.  This is how the entire Super League season can be summed up:

 

At present, in Super League, fourteen teams play a twenty-seven round regular season.  At the end of this season eight teams qualify for the play-offs from which a champion is crowned.  The other six teams play no further matches.  The play-offs last for four weeks.  In each of the weeks two teams are eliminated (with those who finished highest in the table having a second chance, those who finished lower going home on a single defeat) until the fourth week when the surviving teams contest the grand final.

 

In the future, in Super League, twelve teams will play a twenty-three round regular season.  At the end of this season eight teams qualify for the play-offs from which a champion is crowned.  The other four teams join with the top four teams from the Championship.  The eight SL play-off teams play seven further league fixtures adding to their points they have already accumulated.  The top four sides receive the advantage of having four home games.  After these fixtures the top four contest for the title in a straightforward knock-out lasting two weeks.  The other Super League sides also play an additional seven fixtures with four of their matches being away from home.  Their points start over at this point.  At the end of this mini-league the top three teams automatically join SL for the following season whilst teams 4 and 5 in the table play a one-off game, the winner of which joins SL.

 

Like I've said, it's one of the geniuses of the new system that its response to the oft-stated belief that 8 from 14 devalues the play-offs is to move it to 8 from 12.

 

You forgot to include what will happen to the bottom 8 clubs in the Championship. A pretty much trophy-less existence for anyone outside the top 8 in SL it seems.

 

The big one-off game outside the SL will be the 3/4 place play-off in the 3x8. With the big prize of two-thirds of a SL season at stake. 

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You forgot to include what will happen to the bottom 8 clubs in the Championship. A pretty much trophy-less existence for anyone outside the top 8 in SL.

 

I was told I was over-complicating it by including them so I was being fair and only comparing a Super League season now with a Super League season in 2015.

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So if i've got this right,some people are saying its ok for wakefield to be in sl and constantly failing and going into admin cos they've got nothing to lose but fev shouldn't be allowed in because they're a cracking club thats well run,makes a profit and owns its own stadium and land?

 

I don't recall anyone saying anything of the sort.

 

The Fev Paranoia is kicking in.

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I have to say that the concept of each division effectively having its own Cup, whilst not being barred from winning a Cup for a higher division (however unlikely that may be) was genius.

 

Sadly, the RFL does like to mess up great ideas.  Nines anyone?

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why was Leigh so peeved when their application was knocked back when they had gone to so much trouble to build a stadium?

Why have fev dismantled a stand and re-build it....

I may need to point this out to you, or you may be playing dumb.....but championship clubs improved their grounds to be eligible for SL....

therefore as a result of licencing championship clubs raised their game! Built new stadia.....

How do you explain Castleford and Bradford's stadia then and St Helens for 10 years until Langtree was built.?

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Investors/donors/people who pump money in sports clubs

 

There's a big difference between investors and donors.

 

Investors want their money back - with a little bit extra.

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Sadly, the RFL does like to mess up great ideas.  Nines anyone?

 

No one would want to go out on a summer evening and see youth/reserve players play in a festival type atmosphere.

 

No one.

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I don't recall anyone saying anything of the sort.

 

The Fev Paranoia is kicking in.

 

Symptomatic of the "Who's tha think tha's looking at?" attitude on the Fev branch of the forum.

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No one would want to go out on a summer evening and see youth/reserve players play in a festival type atmosphere.

 

No one.

 

Yeah, nice idea if the best players are on show.

 

But they never are.

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**applause**

 

I really wonder why people hang around here if they hate the oppressive moderation so much...  If I had all my posts deleted on a forum and received repeated warnings for being all nice and polite then I'd not be here for long.

 

There are some seriously bitter people out there...

 

There must be something in the water around Featherstone way, they are all paranoid, the whole lot of them.

 

I'd just like to say that the mods on here have always been fair, and I've had run ins in the past, but I have never felt that the mods have been nothing but even handed and sensible.

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Yeah, nice idea if the best players are on show.

 

But they never are.

 

They don't need to be and you shouldn't expect or want them to be.

 

This is a conversation for a different day but I quite like how the RU lot have managed to make their pre-season 7s a 'thing' that balances fun and seriousness and plays to full houses and is on TV.

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