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The idea that the RFL is celebrating mediocrity is difficult to understand. The top eight of SL will still be playing off to reach a grand final as far as I can see and below that there is now an intriguing battle to be had involving the rest of SL, who would normally just be playing the season out with nothing at stake, and the best of the Championship plus a similar battle lower down the scale. I'm really struggling to come up with one good reason why this won't capture the imagination and have the potential to increase crowds.

And by the way, if Fev don't make the cut then it will be down to them not being good enough and that's how it should be. I think your comment was uncalled for to be honest.

It depends on how competitive the middle 8 is. If, as many suspect, the bottom 4 SL sides are going to be far too strong for the KPC sides then it's going to be a farce.

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Just a point about there being nothing anyone outside the sl top eight can win with there being no more NRC and so on........it's all about your perspective on success and winning.........I think most fans outside the top six realise they are not gonna win the challenge cup or be super league champions........This new format creates exciting meaningful play off game that teams can build towards (or fall into)...... As a fan of a lower league soccer team I'd much rather my team get in the play offs and do well than win the Johnstone paints trophy.........I think most fans of teams who play in the NRC would rather do well in these new play offs than win the NRC IMO

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It depends on how competitive the middle 8 is. If, as many suspect, the bottom 4 SL sides are going to be far too strong for the KPC sides then it's going to be a farce.

We'll just have to wait and see how competitive it is.........the fact there will now be a competition for places will be far more appealing. Teams playing out the season knowing they can be relegated is far more of a farce IMO

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It depends on how competitive the middle 8 is. If, as many suspect, the bottom 4 SL sides are going to be far too strong for the KPC sides then it's going to be a farce.

But it's not a case of all the championship sides having to beat all the SL teams. If one CC club beats each of the teams from its own competition it will probably only need to win against one SL club to make the four. Very doable in my opinion. Then it's down to a 4 v 5 one off and a massive crowd I'd suspect

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One of the things that I believe make rugby league unique is that assuming the teams are pretty evenly matched, then there doesn't have to be anything at stake to produce a fantastic match. I think it might be a caveman thing or something but I think it brings it out in any two teams.

But if the teams are woefully mismatched then it isn't quite as simple and it can become boring. Which is nothing to do with whether the team is going to be relegated or not.

I don't think this new system will work but if it's going to happen then let's see what unfolds. Hopefully the non believers will have to eat humble pie. But I suspect not.

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I have done nothing of the sort and you know that.  

 

All I have done is ask that all forum members are treated the same when posts are deleted because of abuse or topic derailment.  My PM in July and my deleted posts this week show that this is not the case.

 

I would appreciate it if you would stick to the facts without trying to put words into my mouth.

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I have done nothing of the sort and you know that.  

 

All I have done is ask that all forum members are treated the same when posts are deleted because of abuse or topic derailment.  My PM in July and my deleted posts this week show that this is not the case.

 

I would appreciate it if you would stick to the facts without trying to put words into my mouth.

 

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One of the things that I believe make rugby league unique is that assuming the teams are pretty evenly matched, then there doesn't have to be anything at stake to produce a fantastic match. I think it might be a caveman thing or something but I think it brings it out in any two teams.

But if the teams are woefully mismatched then it isn't quite as simple and it can become boring. Which is nothing to do with whether the team is going to be relegated or not.

I don't think this new system will work but if it's going to happen then let's see what unfolds. Hopefully the non believers will have to eat humble pie. But I suspect not.

In your view then we should scrap the Challenge Cup?  Apart from a few upsets you get cricket scores in that competition.  Maybe we should have a 14 team Challenge cup knock out only including SL clubs.  The mouth waters at the prospect!

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That's exactly right. This system is designed to placate Championship clubs by seemingly offering them a straightforward shot at promotion but, in reality, a promotion will be rarer and more infrequent than getting to SL under licencing.

Time will tell, but I think one team every four or so years might get promoted.

Guaranteed promotion for the championship winners ( subject to minimum standards being met ) is better than a stacked playoff ###### shoot against higher financed and battle tested opponents.

I am a staunch advocate of p and r but this hybrid heath robinson contraption with more questions than answers will be a disaster for Championship clubs.

 

The system may have been designed to placate some Championship clubs but the reason that the Championship clubs unanimously agreed to support the RFL with their 3 x 8's, IMVHO, was the very generous increase in many of the clubs funding under this new system.   That was sold to them as part of the package with the bottom club in the Championship collecting £60k more than any of them received this season.  

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In your view then we should scrap the Challenge Cup? Apart from a few upsets you get cricket scores in that competition. Maybe we should have a 14 team Challenge cup knock out only including SL clubs. The mouth waters at the prospect!

No because a knock out cup is exactly that. A regular competition is different. And I am only taking about what suits RL.
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I disagree, I argue the point especially when I think there is a wrong.

 

You have just recently used the words 'Fev paranoia'.  I personally do not have a problem with this, however I had some goading comments deleted the other day. So you have to say what's the difference?  You often have a go at Flatcappers again I really don't have a problem but the fact people get banned and warned for the same thing is just wrong and that's what gets my goat up.

 

In my job I travel all over the UK and meet all kinds of people.  I have some friends in the South where we have a big disagreement on all kinds of things especially politics, does this mean that I do not listen to them or like them?  Of course not.  We are all entitled to our opinion as long as we are all treated the same, that's all I ask for.

 

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No because a knock out cup is exactly that. A regular competition is different. And I am only taking about what suits RL.

 

I am surprised that it hasn't been mentioned that also included in this 3 x 8's system the top 8 are exempt from the Challenge Cup until the 5th Round (i.e. the last 16).

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No because a knock out cup is exactly that. A regular competition is different. And I am only taking about what suits RL.

In what way is it different?  If a one sided game is garbage then why have the earlier rounds?  Lets just go for the creme de le creme of close SL games, oh hang on a minute. 

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In what way is it different? If a one sided game is garbage then why have the earlier rounds? Lets just go for the creme de le creme of close SL games, oh hang on a minute.

It's different because it is a draw based tournament. Hence York Acorn might get Wigan in the cup. But these teams meeting in a regular league would be ridiculous.
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It's different because it is a draw based tournament. Hence York Acorn might get Wigan in the cup. But these teams meeting in a regular league would be ridiculous.

In my opinion a licensing system is ridiculous.  You seem to be of an opinion that each SL round produces 7 close games every week and this just does not happen. 

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In my opinion a licensing system is ridiculous. You seem to be of an opinion that each SL round produces 7 close games every week and this just does not happen.

Where did I say that? I think that's what *could* happen with enough money and will behind it.
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I am surprised that it hasn't been mentioned that also included in this 3 x 8's system the top 8 are exempt from the Challenge Cup until the 5th Round (i.e. the last 16).

 

It's been mentioned a lot by me.  I think it's pretty damn important.

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I am surprised that it hasn't been mentioned that also included in this 3 x 8's system the top 8 are exempt from the Challenge Cup until the 5th Round (i.e. the last 16).

Interesting and another clue that this system is actually about creating an 8 club SL.

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does anyone feel that despite all the championship clubs seemingly falling over themselves to embrace the 3/8 s system, it will make promotion to super league a lot harder than a simple one up one down system. That everyone would understand and give a championship clubs a straight forward route to sl rather than just a chance to play a few sl clubs at the end of a hard season. I can't see anything other than the rare upset as in the c.c., over 7 games it will be very hard for part time to beat full time!

 

I don't think that the Championship clubs were looking for a system to give them promotion to SL. I only know of one Championship club making a genuine and concerted effort to get an SL place and apparently they have liabilities of around £800,000.

 

I know of 15 tiny clubs who can't get an 800 crowd, I know of another 12 not all the same who have been acting as Superleague club "A" teams, I know of three failed SL clubs who still mouth off about destination Superleague despite having nothing to back a serious bid up.

 

Keith T may have the answer? most Championship clubs voted for this because they are brassic, skint, penniless, and it's not just them as Wakefield, Bradford and London have all held cut price sales "everyone must go" of their playing squads.

 

Given only two championship clubs may make the 8 I don't think these changes are about "ambition", as always they are IMVHO about  money and survival. I had an idea that the middle 8 would be a sterile predictable competition, but I don't think so now.

 

I think we will see a championship club or two go up. But I also think that it won't be because they have "grown organically" have "built" and become "ready for Superleague" it will (and recent events support this) be more likely promotion by default over some bankrupt club or even some club closing down.

 

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It's been mentioned a lot by me.  I think it's pretty damn important.

Sorry, gingerjon, I hadn't seen it mentioned but I wonder is this something to placate the meeting "walkers"?

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Sorry, gingerjon, I hadn't seen it mentioned but I wonder is this something to placate the meeting "walkers"?

 

To be fair, I do ramble so I don't blame anyone for not seeing it.

 

It effectively means the big matches in the Cup get fewer.  So a smaller profile on terrestial.  Good work, RFL!

 

I suspect its to placate the players' union as well as it guarantees fewer games for the players who will be playing for the bigger teams and England.

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Where did I say that? I think that's what *could* happen with enough money and will behind it.

No evidnece that it will?  How many years of licencing and failed promises do you intend to give licencing a go.

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