JonM Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 The "ordinary" match featuring South Shields is interesting - they weren't voted into the league until 1902 as far as I know, so this might have been a friendly right at the formation of the club? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmp Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 20 hours ago, Padge said: Here is a full(ish) fixture list for Saturday 9th November 1901. The keen eyed may spot that Hull KR are playing in the Lancashire Senior Competition against Altrincham. SNIP I've found similar lists in Manchester newspapers which include the Manchester and District League teams playing in a structure presumably below (or in parallel to) the Lancs comps listed here. In Bury or North Manchester? Interested in Rugby League? Check out the Rugby League in Bury web-site: http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/burybroncos/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 45 minutes ago, JonM said: The "ordinary" match featuring South Shields is interesting - they weren't voted into the league until 1902 as far as I know, so this might have been a friendly right at the formation of the club? They played a season of friendlies the year before joining the league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, JonM said: The "ordinary" match featuring South Shields is interesting - they weren't voted into the league until 1902 as far as I know, so this might have been a friendly right at the formation of the club? I think that Northern Union games that are not played for league points or in a cup round where classed as Ordinary Matches., generally speaking that would only leave friendlies as I can't think of anything else they could be. I presume if clubs for whatever reason had a vacant slot in their fixtures they would arrange a friendly, something that would never happen these days mid season. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, bowes said: They played a season of friendlies the year before joining the league Yes, I read that, but Leeds and Castleford played an Ordinary Match around the same time at Headingly. So that was a mid-season friendly. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I've posted about historic club colours in the past, but this might fill in some gaps. From the Athletic news (3rd November 1902), where the newspaper responds to a reader's question about the Northern Union club colours. DIVISION ONE: Batley: Cerise and fawn Bradford: Red, amber and black Brighouse: Red, black and amber Broughton Rangers: Navy blue and white hoops Halifax: Blue and white Huddersfield: White* Hull: Black Hull KR: White^ Hunslet: White and chocolate Leigh: Red and white Oldham: Red and white Runcorn: Myrtle green Salford: Red St Helens: Red, amber and black# Swinton: Navy blue Warrington: Primrose and blue Widnes: Broad black and white hoops Wigan: Cherry and white SECOND DIVISION: Barrow: Red and black Birkenhead: Blue and white Bramley: Cerise and fawn (Not sure about this. Error/mix-up with Batley?) Castleford: Blue and yellow squares Dewsbury: Red, amber and black Holbeck: Blue and white Keighley: White Lancaster: Red and white Leeds: White Manningham: Claret and Amber Millom: Navy blue Morecambe: Royal blue and white Normanton: Black and white stripes Rochdale Hornets: White South Shields: Black and white Stockport: Claret Wakefield Trinity: Blue and red, broad red band around the waist, arms and legs York: Amber and black *It wasn't uncommon for Huddersfield to wear white with claret and gold trim at various points throughout their history. ^Hull KR usually wore red shirts with a navy blue band. #These were also the colours of St Helens Recreation, but they didn't join the league until much later. Can anybody shed any light on this? I believe the earliest colours were white and blue. Minä rakastan rugbyliigaa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I similar article in the Athletic News on the 8th of April 1907 gave the same information, with the following additions: Bramley: Black and amber Huddersfield: Claret and gold Hull: Black and white Liverpool City: Black (I was unaware of this) St Helens: Amber and black (seems it took them a while to settle on colours) Minä rakastan rugbyliigaa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 On 5/30/2018 at 1:45 PM, AB Knight said: I don't have a link as i read it in a few scrapbooks of news articles before they were given to York a City Knights to archive. It's modern history compared to some of the great articles on here, but I was amazed to read just before the advent of Super League York were looking at teaming up with Gateshead to gain a place, York even went as far as playing a home match in Gatsehead. I'm not sure if the suggestion was the teams would merge or that York would simply take the best Gateshead players and split home matches between the two places. I of course knew all about the Calder merger suggestions (Cas/Wakefield/Featherstone) but not this. Anyone know anymore? Know this is not related at all but I was digging through some of the articles I had for my book the other day and thought as a york fan you may be interested in this: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB Knight Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, RP London said: Know this is not related at all but I was digging through some of the articles I had for my book the other day and thought as a york fan you may be interested in this: An interesting read, thank you, there's a lot of Rugby League history which people like me who only started watching the sport in '96 maybe aren't aware of so it's good to learn a bit. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobbygobbler Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 12 hours ago, Moomintroll said: I've posted about historic club colours in the past, but this might fill in some gaps. From the Athletic news (3rd November 1902), where the newspaper responds to a reader's question about the Northern Union club colours. DIVISION ONE: Batley: Cerise and fawn Bradford: Red, amber and black Brighouse: Red, black and amber Broughton Rangers: Navy blue and white hoops Halifax: Blue and white Huddersfield: White* Hull: Black Hull KR: White^ Hunslet: White and chocolate Leigh: Red and white Oldham: Red and white Runcorn: Myrtle green Salford: Red St Helens: Red, amber and black# Swinton: Navy blue Warrington: Primrose and blue Widnes: Broad black and white hoops Wigan: Cherry and white SECOND DIVISION: Barrow: Red and black Birkenhead: Blue and white Bramley: Cerise and fawn (Not sure about this. Error/mix-up with Batley?) Castleford: Blue and yellow squares Dewsbury: Red, amber and black Holbeck: Blue and white Keighley: White Lancaster: Red and white Leeds: White Manningham: Claret and Amber Millom: Navy blue Morecambe: Royal blue and white Normanton: Black and white stripes Rochdale Hornets: White South Shields: Black and white Stockport: Claret Wakefield Trinity: Blue and red, broad red band around the waist, arms and legs York: Amber and black *It wasn't uncommon for Huddersfield to wear white with claret and gold trim at various points throughout their history. ^Hull KR usually wore red shirts with a navy blue band. #These were also the colours of St Helens Recreation, but they didn't join the league until much later. Can anybody shed any light on this? I believe the earliest colours were white and blue. St Helens Recs existed as a Rugby club until 1898 and switched to soccer before switching back to Rugby in 1913 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_Ormston Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) On 5/31/2018 at 8:33 PM, Padge said: Yes, I read that, but Leeds and Castleford played an Ordinary Match around the same time at Headingly. So that was a mid-season friendly. At the outset of matches no classification of games was required. The introduction of games in organised competitions such as the Yorkshire Cup led to a distinction between cup games and the ‘ordinary’ games clubs have previously played. The term was in common use by the time of the breakaway, and was retained post-1895 by which time ordinary matches were very much in the minority for most clubs, given the domination of fixture lists with officially organised competitive games (my own club played only a handful between 1895 and 1914). Whilst we commonly refer to all ‘non-official’ games now as ‘friendlies’, this is a relatively recent phenomenon. Originally referred to as ordinary matches, they were later usually noted as ‘exhibition’ games, when being played between teams on neutral venues in new areas, or under the title of a local cup that was up for grabs (e.g. the Lazenby Cup or Wardonia Cup), or as a ‘testimonial’ or ‘charity’ match, with ‘friendly’ games replacing ‘ordinary’ games as the common term for anything not meeting some other description. Interestingly association teams seemed to use the ‘friendly’ term rather than ‘ordinary’ more widely, and earlier, compared to the northern rugby clubs. Friendly has become pretty much ubiquitous as the term for all these games now, with the other names being merely a subset of this group. In my own records, I’ve labelled any non-competitive game as ‘ordinary’ until 1914/5, and then after that as ‘friendly’: this really is a matter of semantics, as neither are included in my statistical records (following the convention of the Record Keepers Club used for post-1895 games), but I draw the distinction out of respect for the terms used at the time, even if my cut-off point is slightly arbitrary. That said, the use of the term ‘ordinary’ after this time is rare, and the term ‘friendly’ matches seems to be in regular use following the suspension of competitive games for the 1915/16 season, when all games were arranged on a friendly basis. Edited July 7, 2018 by Neil_Ormston 1 For more information on the Rugby League Record Keepers' Club please visit our official website at www.rugbyleaguerecords.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Talking of history, I'm currently watching the Roses Legends match on Freesports TV. Some fond memories when I see those players. 1 Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 Since there is a topic running which is discussing a lot that is in here I thought I would give it a bump. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 @millsjim44 GB Tour 1979, George Nicholls and Peter Glynn in Australia with their T Shirts in my support after New Zealand refused to allow me to play in NZ. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanto Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/&ved=2ahUKEwi9iIf22creAhVBQBoKHc4yD0gQFjAAegQIBhAD&usg=AOvVaw3TZ61V85nKIVdSOvXq9mvd Sorry if its already been posted but an ongoing project listing every club, player fixtures tables etc etc. A massive project and a lot is incomplete but some great reading for guys who like stats. Example Lancashire Cup.. https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/competitions/lancashire-cup/summary.html Then click on the game and its all detailed. Edited November 10, 2018 by yanto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headtackle Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 7:21 PM, Futtocks said: GB Tour 1979, George Nicholls and Peter Glynn in Australia with their T Shirts in my support after New Zealand refused to allow me to play in NZ. Great picture of 2 Saints greats. Funnily enough saw the clip of Big Jim on You tube the other day - innocent perhaps stretching it a bit Peter Glynn - part of the 1976 Dads Army victory at Wembley if I recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 14 hours ago, headtackle said: Funnily enough saw the clip of Big Jim on You tube the other day - innocent perhaps stretching it a bit If Big Jim says he was innocent, it'd take a much bigger man than me to disagree. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Futtocks said: If Big Jim says he was innocent, it'd take a much bigger man than me to disagree. Big Jim didn't say he was innocent, it was just his mates left and right. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 A special anniversary today! Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Warrior Dragon Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Futtocks said: A special anniversary today! Thanks for the reminder, Futtocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 Observations? Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Warrior Dragon Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 18 minutes ago, Padge said: Observations? Three initial observations, Padge. First, thanks for yet another little gem of rugby history; as ever much appreciated. Second, has rugby always been played over two halves of 40 minutes? Sports do change their playing conditions rules from time to time. In my lifetime, for instance, Gaelic football and hurling matches have been extended from 30 minutes each way to 35, while ice hockey abolished the requirement to change ends at the midway (10 minute) point of the third period, because the number of games being played in the open (when weather conditions could be a factor) had diminished so much. I ask about rugby playing time because if, in January, they didn't kick off until 3.20pm, and had some sort of half-time break (say, 10 minutes), even with no time added on, they would not have finished until 4.50pm. How could anybody - players, referee, spectators - see what was going on? Third, the cutting reminds us that, in the industrial north at least, league competitions were being pursued, whether or not the London-based RFU liked the idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun mc Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Padge said: Observations? Its West Lancashire Rugby League, but its 1890 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 16 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 14 hours ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said: I ask about rugby playing time because if, in January, they didn't kick off until 3.20pm, and had some sort of half-time break (say, 10 minutes), even with no time added on, they would not have finished until 4.50pm. How could anybody - players, referee, spectators - see what was going on? Daylight Saving wasn't introduced until 1916, so the clocks wouldn't have gone back, thus 1890's 4.50pm would be modern day 3.50pm. I think!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Warrior Dragon Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, Number 16 said: Daylight Saving wasn't introduced until 1916, so the clocks wouldn't have gone back, thus 1890's 4.50pm would be modern day 3.50pm. I think!!! Thanks for that, No 16; I did wonder about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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