Halifax in trouble?

[LeytherRob]

The German Bundisliga should be the blueprint.

In what way? Genuine question by the way as I'm not familiar with how it works there.

[marklaspalmas]

The German Bundisliga should be the blueprint.

 

Ive seen bits about that, the %ages of income you have to generate and are allowed to spend, the control on ticket prices, etc. It's strict, it works and there's a lot to be admired about it. HOw it works in English RL, I have no idea.

 

Plus Bayern win it every year. That would get us all whingeing about how uncompetitive it is...........

[The Future is League]

In what way? Genuine question by the way as I'm not familiar with how it works there.

In simple terms teams in the Bundisliga are not allowed to make a loss over the season. if they do they will get relegated, hence you never hear of a professional German FC going bust.

[The Future is League]

Ive seen bits about that, the %ages of income you have to generate and are allowed to spend, the control on ticket prices, etc. It's strict, it works and there's a lot to be admired about it. HOw it works in English RL, I have no idea.

 

Plus Bayern win it every year. That would get us all whingeing about how uncompetitive it is...........

No teams go to the wall though.

[Blind side johnny]

The German Bundisliga should be the blueprint.

11 a side? That might work.

[boro hornet]

Why not give all clubs in Championship the same RFL payout. Teams that want to go for Super League would then have to raise the extra money themselves. Well run clubs will be able to move forward others can build a sustainable club to move forward when ready.

[LeytherRob]

In simple terms teams in the Bundisliga are not allowed to make a loss over the season. if they do they will get relegated, hence you never hear of a professional German FC going bust.

It's a good idea but does it allow for owners to put money in? Even during the days of an all semi pro division all the owners have had to top up the pot. A fully self sustainable championship without owner input is impossible currently.

I'm in favour of an extension of how the increased salary is accessed for the top championship clubs. Basically you have to deposit the money as a bond with the RFL and they release it back so that if an owner wants to commit more money and pay players more he has to do it in advance so they can't pull out and cause issues later. We don't want to discourage people spending, but it also safeguards the clubs.

[bamfordsbeans]

Widnes,Salford,Wakefield.and Huddersfield are only bigger than the top Championship clubs due to funding.The game has had over 20 years to get the structure and financing right-but by the look of things are as far away as ever.

With the notable exception of Batley-the Championship clubs seem to be having more problems than the rest of the game.

[The Future is League]

11 a side? That might work.

Ha ha ha, but you know it could work for Rugby League, but the problem would be the clubs themselves.

[Amber Avenger]

With the notable exception of Batley-the Championship clubs seem to be having more problems than the rest of the game.

 

I read a really good interview with the chairman (I think) of Batley in RLW a couple of months back, and he was very realistic about what the club could achieve - even if it was a mid table finish say next year and whilst it would be disappointing, it likely wouldn't harm the club in the way it appears to have had a massive impact on Bradford and now seemingly Halifax as well. However if I remember correctly, it was mentioned if they were dragged into a relegation scrap it's a different story.

 

Not to wish ill will on any club of course, but it seems in the Championship any club seemingly can have one duff season and then you are really up against the wall.

[LeytherRob]

Widnes,Salford,Wakefield.and Huddersfield are only bigger than the top Championship clubs due to funding.The game has had over 20 years to get the structure and financing right-but by the look of things are as far away as ever.

With the notable exception of Batley-the Championship clubs seem to be having more problems than the rest of the game.

There's more than just batley doing well and as has been previously mentioned the situations of some clubs are down to things that you just can't predicted. If a major investor pulls out unless you are basically Wigan or Leeds you are going to have trouble regardless of the division you are in

[LeytherRob]

Widnes,Salford,Wakefield.and Huddersfield are only bigger than the top Championship clubs due to funding.The game has had over 20 years to get the structure and financing right-but by the look of things are as far away as ever.

With the notable exception of Batley-the Championship clubs seem to be having more problems than the rest of the game.

There's more than just batley doing well and as has been previously mentioned the situations of some clubs are down to things that you just can't predicted. If a major investor pulls out unless you are basically Wigan or Leeds you are going to have trouble regardless of the division you are in

[sweaty craiq]

When will clubs learn that the first rule of business is that you can't have more going out than coming.

The first rule in championship RL is do you have someone to pick up the pieces if forecasts are not met. In champ RL the bounce of the ball or a bad decision can cost you £500k. Last season a poor 8's cost Leigh £300k we had someone to pick up the tab to maintain the push, others don't have that luxury

[sweaty craiq]

Are we ready to go to a 15 team licenced SL?

[Manx RL]

No teams go to the wall though.

Dortmund were bailed out by as significant loan from Bayern Munich a few years back or they would've gone to the wall. I'd be surprised to see that level of altruism between RL clubs.

[getdownmonkeyman]

In simple terms teams in the Bundisliga are not allowed to make a loss over the season. if they do they will get relegated, hence you never hear of a professional German FC going bust.

I though the break even period was over three years?

[Wakefield Ram]

The Middle 8s were only different this year as there were two full time CC teams with significant investment aside from RFL funding. Batley had an exceptional season, which they will be lucky to repeat, Fev gambled the kitchen sink and staved off winding up orders. Let's hope neither are planning on another Top 4 finish otherwise they risk financial meltdown this time next year. And neither won a game except for Batley beating Fev.

The RFL funding is not sufficient to sustain P&R , it needs extra massive extra investment. Without Beaumonts generosity, Leigh would never have been promoted. Unless a CCclub can find a long term benefactor like Beaumont, they will never be promoted. All the RFL funding does is distort the competition and encourage clubs like Fev and Halifax to take massive financial gambles and provide part funding for clubs with benefactors.

[HAVERCROFT10]

Fev didn't have anything to gamble with.A small squad,youth and DR to make a side up,coupled with plenty of long term injuries to key

personell.Things happening at the club that will stabilize our future.Lucky Wakey weren't in the middle 8's this season or you could've

been in the championship with us next year.

[HAVERCROFT10]

penny dropped,your a Ram.

[Wakefield Ram]

If Fev weren't gambling financially why were they paying off winding up orders right up to the end of the regular season? They paid Dewsbury the team I support a large transfer fee for Anthony Thackery and in Thackerys own words to me made him an offer he couldn't refuse, whilst not paying the tax man. If that's not gambling financially what is?

[Lounge Room Lizard]

Is there actually any evidence that 1 ) Fax have asked players to take a 10% pay cut and that 2 )They are close to administration? Sounds like another Parksider Fact, based on nothing. No mention of this on the Rugby Forum, Facebook or even the Football Forum who usually are the first to shout about Fax problems. Nothing on Social Media or Love Rugby League site etc etc

 

That Fax have no money is no secret and that goes for most of the Pro Clubs from SL to Championship 1. The problem for Fax like many, is they do not own there own ground and get no money from Bar Sales etc. They have no money man and basically just survive like the rest. 2016 has been a bad year on and off the field. Problems with the Council, Main Sponsor not paying money, Abbott saga, Failure to finish in the top 4 etc. Whether thats put Fax close to Administration is open to opinion. But seems strange they announce the signing of Worrincy and Grady from other clubs this weekend. It has been known when Fax didnt make the top 4, that cuts would be made and Assistant Coaches would be likely leaving and that the Squad size would be reduced. 

[Bartholemew Smythe]

During the last couple of years the Championship has had more funding than at any point in its history. It is not distributed evenly that is one problem. Another has been Sheffield, Featherstone, Bradford and now Halifax having some serious woes and flirting with administration.

 

 

Bradford ,Fax and Sheffield all received considerably more funding than Leigh last year!

[Scubby]

Bradford ,Fax and Sheffield all received considerably more funding than Leigh last year!

 

Oh come on, when a guy is prepared to pump £1-2m per season in it is hardly a comparison.

[The Parksider]

Is there actually any evidence that 1 ) Fax have asked players to take a 10% pay cut and that 2 )They are close to administration? Sounds like another Parksider Fact, based on nothing. No mention of this on the Rugby Forum, Facebook or even the Football Forum who usually are the first to shout about Fax problems. Nothing on Social Media or Love Rugby League site etc etc

 

Do you want a discussion or are you just after having a dig, because the past record is that your facts about how strong RL has always been in Halifax was just wishful thinking when I took you back to the Bamford era, a time Halifax were running out of players and fans and Maurice was the last throw of the dice.

 

According to you Halifax is brimming with kids playing RL all turning pro. It would help especially in this instance if you bought the RL press on a monday, or even went in the shop read it and put it back on the shelf.......

[LeeF]

Is there actually any evidence that 1 ) Fax have asked players to take a 10% pay cut and that 2 )They are close to administration? Sounds like another Parksider Fact, based on nothing. No mention of this on the Rugby Forum, Facebook or even the Football Forum who usually are the first to shout about Fax problems. Nothing on Social Media or Love Rugby League site etc etc

That Fax have no money is no secret and that goes for most of the Pro Clubs from SL to Championship 1. The problem for Fax like many, is they do not own there own ground and get no money from Bar Sales etc. They have no money man and basically just survive like the rest. 2016 has been a bad year on and off the field. Problems with the Council, Main Sponsor not paying money, Abbott saga, Failure to finish in the top 4 etc. Whether thats put Fax close to Administration is open to opinion. But seems strange they announce the signing of Worrincy and Grady from other clubs this weekend. It has been known when Fax didnt make the top 4, that cuts would be made and Assistant Coaches would be likely leaving and that the Squad size would be reduced.

Parksider in made up fact shock which is used to attack the current structure - SHOCK