Did anyone play themselves out of the England reckoning

[OMEGA]

Alarming performances from a couple of potential England World Cup players in tonight’s Grand Final.

Obviously Hardaker will miss out.

Gale was awful in every aspect tonight, poor control of his team, terrible kicking game, falling out with his own team mates and losing his composure under pressure from Rhino’s players

Mc’Meekin was totally anonymous and seemed to be incapable of arresting Leeds forward momentum and turning it back in Castlefords favour.

Eden reverted back to his rocks & diamonds form

McShane was poor and showed his uglier side when milking a penalty early on

I know they were all part of a poor team performance but based on Wayne Bennett’s comments last year when he stated that at least one player had played themselves out of the England team, I think we might see some surprisingl omissions.

[Exiled Wiganer]

Is there anyone left? Shenton? 

Nice to see Briscoe redeeming himself after he was Sneyded, who may benefit from Gale's implosion. 

[redjonn]

Only thing that would influence is injuries. The coach will have picked his preferred team squad already before the game and just awaiting for final game to ring around the selected players and then announce.

[OMEGA]

8 minutes ago, redjonn said:

Only thing that would influence is injuries. The coach will have picked his preferred team squad already before the game and just awaiting for final game to ring around the selected players and then announce.

You’d think so but as I’ve said in my original post Bennett stated this time last year that at least one players Grand Final performance had played him out of the England squad.

[redjonn]

Just now, OMEGA said:

You’d think so but as I’ve said in my original post Bennett stated this time last year that at least one players Grand Final performance had played him out of the England squad.

fair comment then,,, but it surprises me that for world cup he would take same approach,,, but then maybe yer right

[Davo5]

Maybe not out of the World Cup but probably out of a starting spot.

[DavidM]

Good job for Roberts they’d picked the Samoa squad then 

[Davc1h]

1 hour ago, OMEGA said:

Alarming performances from a couple of potential England World Cup players in tonight’s Grand Final.

Obviously Hardaker will miss out.

Gale was awful in every aspect tonight, poor control of his team, terrible kicking game, falling out with his own team mates and losing his composure under pressure from Rhino’s players

Mc’Meekin was totally anonymous and seemed to be incapable of arresting Leeds forward momentum and turning it back in Castlefords favour.

Eden reverted back to his rocks & diamonds form

McShane was poor and showed his uglier side when milking a penalty early on

I know they were all part of a poor team performance but based on Wayne Bennett’s comments last year when he stated that at least one player had played themselves out of the England team, I think we might see some surprisingl omissions.

So basically drop all the Cas players.

Thinking about it, I could not argue with that on tonight’s performance.??

[meast]

4 minutes ago, Davc1h said:

So basically drop all the Cas players.

Thinking about it, I could not argue with that on tonight’s performance.??

You can't drop players from a squad that hasn't been picked yet.

Personally, i think only Gale and McMeeken are worth a place.

[Davc1h]

8 minutes ago, meast said:

You can't drop players from a squad that hasn't been picked yet.

Personally, i think only Gale and McMeeken are worth a place.

Yeah but you probably think Brough should be in.??

I am concerned if England have to rely on Gale. Simply not international class.

[DavidM]

Yeh Gale and Mcmeekin two I’d pick deserving over the whole season for the squad

[Colly]

Thinking of the way Roby played last week, McShane did himself no favours.

Eden was never really in the picture. Bennett knows him too well.Gale looked lost and although in the squad I would be surprised if he started. His kicking game was rank poor. 

Weren't Cas just shocking , the game was a poor advert for our game compared to the Aussie GF last week. It was like watching a different sport. 

IMHO our chances of winning the World Cup are zero.

[GeordieSaint]

5 minutes ago, Colly said:

Thinking of the way Roby played last week, McShane did himself no favours.

Gale looked lost and although in the squad I would be surprised if he started. 

Roby should a certain selection after his performances. 

Gale looked lost as his forward pack got mullered and his other half back partner was horrific. I’d still take Gale, McMeeken and Shenton.

[DavidM]

I’ve just never ever saw Shenton as  international class who’s gonna worry any top centre opposite him , but our stocks are very very thin

[winnyason]

Hodgson and roby are 2 best hookers England have. Mcmeekan not sure given there a decent amount of forwards about. Gale will get picked still as there not much around at halfback. 

[Jim Prendle]

23 minutes ago, Colly said:

Thinking of the way Roby played last week, McShane did himself no favours.

Eden was never really in the picture. Bennett knows him too well.Gale looked lost and although in the squad I would be surprised if he started. His kicking game was rank poor. 

Weren't Cas just shocking , the game was a poor advert for our game compared to the Aussie GF last week. It was like watching a different sport. 

IMHO our chances of winning the World Cup are zero.

The game tonight wasn't great, but then again the NRL GF last week was hardly one for the ages.

The Aussie version was probably the most boring in the last 10 years.

 

[Jim Prendle]

Roby has to be picked. There is not a better hooker in SL.

[Jacko45]

You can't not pick players for having a bad game tonight,or your just picking players from Leeds,cas were poor but Roby ect didn't even get to the grand final.

[Roughyedz]

1 hour ago, meast said:

You can't drop players from a squad that hasn't been picked yet.

Personally, i think only Gale and McMeeken are worth a place.

You mean Gayle the invisible man ........again

[Rawschach]

Blimey - Cas were awful but are we really writing off the Man of Steel due to one bad game behind a badly beaten pack?

Billy Slater lost Australia the World Cup a few years back - that is a bigger game than the Grand Final.  I suspect he will be playing for Australia in the next World Cup final 

(not suggesting that Gale is world class like Slater but the point is the same)

If England play like Cas did last night, we could have Cronk and Thurston in the halves and we would not win (if both were fit and English which sadly they are not)

[meast]

10 hours ago, Davc1h said:

Yeah but you probably think Brough should be in.??

I am concerned if England have to rely on Gale. Simply not international class.

Why would you think that? where have i mentioned Brough?

I agree about Gale, he's had a great season but didn't turn up at all last night, but unfortunately there isn't many other options right now.

[Davc1h]

7 minutes ago, meast said:

Why would you think that? where have i mentioned Brough?

I agree about Gale, he's had a great season but didn't turn up at all last night, but unfortunately there isn't many other options right now.

Just a leg pull mate.???

Agree about the lack of options too.??

Maybe it is back to Matty Smith.?

[meast]

I actually wouldn't be too down on that as i think his best games recently have come in an England shirt rather than Wigan/saints!

As for Brough, we all know we would have challenged in finals had McNamara not had a sulk on and picked him 

[Desert Skipper]

11 hours ago, OMEGA said:

You’d think so but as I’ve said in my original post Bennett stated this time last year that at least one players Grand Final performance had played him out of the England squad.

Which Warrington player was that?   Don’t remember the comment from Bennett at the time but didn’t Hill and Clarke play in the Internationals last autumn?   Can’t think of any other England internationals playing for us in the GF unless it was a Wigan player?

[andyscoot]

You can say it was one game and he's man of steel but ultimately he went missing in a big game. It's all well and good bossing it in games that effectively don't matter but we've got a problem from an England perspective. You  can't pick Smith/Williams/Brown in the halves on this season's form but you've got a 7 who melted under the pressure so what is the better option? Pick a half back who has had a worse season but a proven track record of winning big games or pick a player who's had a better season but folded in a big game?