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7 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Sucha a shame the game was one sided, the crowd was really up for it, had it been a clise game the atmosphere would have been outstanding. I’m no fan of Elland Road but it does seem a good venue for these games

I tend to agree. I used the shuttle bus, it was excellent. The stadium is tired, but it is a decent size, holds the sound in well and because you are crammed in the atmosphere is better. It feels like a bigger event there than Hudds or Wigan too.

A big problem though is Eng/GBs shocking record there !!!!

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3 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

If the RFL/SL are smart they will be looking to Elland Road as the national RL stadium. The old girl is due for an upgrade and almost certainly will be probably almost completely rebuilt within the next 10-15 years, especially if LUFC get promoted.

Radrizzanni has been very amenable to RL, this is the third RL match there this year. If the RFL could make a contribution to the rebuild costs in exchange for say a 10% ownership stake that sees them able to stage 10 events a year there it would be absolutely ideal. In a big city, right in the heartlands, proven good crowds and probably around the right size for us.

It would be perfect place to take things like the CC semi-final, maybe even SL semi final, obviously internationals, you could then look at creating new properties like 9s, a replay of the GF to kick off a new season, a Yorkshire day double header anything really. 

10% ownership in today's rebuild costs would be something like £20-25m

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On 11/10/2018 at 2:18 PM, parklandswolf said:

Sorry to harp on about lack of marketing but I was out with 2 ardent sports fans last night (they went to London for the NFL game, just for the experience). They both live near Formby a short merseyrail journey to Anfield.  Had they known the game was on at Anfield they would have gone ! Perhaps they didn't look hard enough lol 

 

 

Yeah some on here will certainly tell you it's the customers fault.

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A new West Stand could add 10k to the capacity and, at a stroke, could provide all the fancy corporate and media stuff LUFC are likely to need until they become Champions League regulars. New roofs at the N&S sides would make it World Cup ready (with other tweaks like a new SW corner, removal of the SS boxes, refurbish and extend some concourses and so on). It's not a massive, or massively expensive job to create a really good 45k seat stadium. Although if they were redoing the roof of the Kop they'd probably expand it at the time, as per the World Cup 2018 plans. The South Stand and Elland Road -the road itself - is the only issue (and a "bypass" round the back of the Kop has just been approved)

If this Ashes 2020 thing is true I hope they play safe and choose Leeds, Manchester and Wembley. Expansion is vital, but feed the fans you already have too. It's not as if Leeds is hard to get to , or a bad destination. You don't always have to take the mountain to Mohammed. Maybe folk in Newcastle and Coventry could be tempted to a day out in Leeds. Between Leeds, Bradford, Wakey ,Cas and all the smaller clubs, you have tens of thousands of passionate, knowledgeable and matchgoing fans on your doorstep. Makes the whole thing a bigger deal if the fans are really engaged, rather than rugby-bi-curious-voyeur Geordies!

 

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2 hours ago, scotchy1 said:

If the RFL/SL are smart they will be looking to Elland Road as the national RL stadium. The old girl is due for an upgrade and almost certainly will be probably almost completely rebuilt within the next 10-15 years, especially if LUFC get promoted.

Radrizzanni has been very amenable to RL, this is the third RL match there this year. If the RFL could make a contribution to the rebuild costs in exchange for say a 10% ownership stake that sees them able to stage 10 events a year there it would be absolutely ideal. In a big city, right in the heartlands, proven good crowds and probably around the right size for us.

It would be perfect place to take things like the CC semi-final, maybe even SL semi final, obviously internationals, you could then look at creating new properties like 9s, a replay of the GF to kick off a new season, a Yorkshire day double header anything really. 

You're always so ambitious and optimistic! 

I wouldn't know if a formal partnership would be feasible or possible, but with Wembley having the CC, OT having the GF and SJP proving a good home for MW, it would be nice if a place could be found for ER to be another of RL's homes-from-home, based on the national team. A major international every Autumn, an annual event, some stability

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4 minutes ago, 17 stone giant said:

That would be great. 1st test Wembley, 2nd test Old Trafford, 3rd test Elland Road.

Guarantee tickets would be changing hands for £300 if it was a decider in 2020 and it would be a bearpit atmosphere. Play it at 5pm on a football international weekend (maybe play at half 7 if RU is on) and you've got all the ingredients for a blockbuster event

It doesn't look half bad now on TV to be honest. You get more angles with RL coverage and even the crappier bits of the WS looked alright because they were full

The more I think about it and drink this wine, the more I feel that Leeds and Elland Rd should be crucial to promoting the game, along with Manchester. These are the two natural heartland capitals and both are very smart and cosmopolitan cities/metropolises. 

For every Wigan, Leigh and Salford fan, how many regularly work, drink, socialise, watch gigs or even support a football team in Manchester proper? Likewise with Cas, Wakey, Bradford and Huddersfield with Leeds? Not to mention Fev, Batley, Oldham, Dewsbury, Rochdale and so on. The rest of the heartlands are in spitting distance (St Helens, Warrington and at a pinch Hull)

Expansion is vital still, but Manchester is a major "city", Leeds is getting there, and RL is already thoroughly established and embedded (in enclaves) within these cities. I guess I'm saying there's still a lot of potential in the heartlands and sometimes we ignore that.

 

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3 Test Series's should always be played in Lancs, Yorks and London. Etihad, Elland Road and Olympic St should probably be first choice, with a bit of variation (Anfield, St James, Wembley etc.).

Internationals need to be events, let's now move on from regular SL grounds for good.

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I'd say in future, England tests against oz or Nz, or any tournament games, should not be staged at grounds with capacities less than 30,000. We do need to be aiming higher than hoping to get 20,000 at Hull or Huddersfield but not being too ambitious cos things like anfield can happen. Increase average attendances steadily. If we can get 40,000 average for the oz series that would be fantastic and so much higher than any recent series or tournament. I think given the desire to see this series and excitement that is already building at just the potential of it happening then that is definitely achievable. 

My picks for venues would probably be something like St James Park, etihad/elland road and Olympic. If we can get 40,000 for magic at Newcastle we can get 50,000 for an ashes test. Similarly, if there was only 1 game in the heartland we should be looking at 50,000 easy in Manchester or absolutely no doubt a full elland road. Even around 45,000 or so at Olympic would be great and if the ground was sold cleverly, like they have been for Wembley, so it is full where the cameras point, then great! Don't get me wrong, we could realistically get 50,000 there though. 

Steadily increasing attendances without going wild and 3 potential 50,000s would almost be the highest attendances England has ever had a d the highest international attendances since the 2013 World Cup. Momentum built in 2020, then go for a 20-25,000 average in the world Cup, again, achievable and still thousands higher than any world cup for decades. 

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Going back to a Manchester, Leeds and London format would be going back to some of our most successful recent series. It is a form that was working.

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7 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

That would be great. 1st test Wembley, 2nd test Old Trafford, 3rd test Elland Road.

1990 and 1994 all over again - let's hope for a better outcome. I'm still haunted by being so close in that 2nd test in 1990 (and I was only bloody ten)

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We should be arranging and publicising a mid season test against the Kiwis for 2019. It could be played during the State of Origin. Agree a venue and advertise the hell out of it.

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6 minutes ago, Mark S said:

We should be arranging and publicising a mid season test against the Kiwis for 2019. It could be played during the State of Origin. Agree a venue and advertise the hell out of it.

They're playing Tonga in NZ


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32 minutes ago, philipw said:

I'm still haunted by being so close in that 2nd test in 1990 (and I was only bloody ten)

I was 13 and I've never recovered.


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15 minutes ago, Mark S said:

We should be arranging and publicising a mid season test against the Kiwis for 2019. It could be played during the State of Origin. Agree a venue and advertise the hell out of it.

I think we should look for different games. We are really milking this NZ match up!

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2 hours ago, Odsal Outlaw said:

They're playing Tonga in NZ

Could we make it a 3 way tournament. Surely SL teams could live without a couple of players for a week. 

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Just now, Mark S said:

Could we make it a 3 way tournament. Surely SL teams could live without a couple of players for a week. 

There is only a 1wk international break.  3 teams takes 3 weeks. Also SL haven’t even scheduled an international break of any size.


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1 minute ago, Mark S said:

Could we make it a 3 way tournament. Surely SL teams could live without a couple of players for a week. 

SL teams can, but the NRL will never allow it. They have earthquakes in NZ. And dangerous alpine parrots that play tricks on people.

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4 hours ago, Dave T said:

3 Test Series's should always be played in Lancs, Yorks and London. Etihad, Elland Road and Olympic St should probably be first choice, with a bit of variation (Anfield, St James, Wembley etc.).

Internationals need to be events, let's now move on from regular SL grounds for good.

For matches against Australia and New Zealand, I completely agree. I think maybe while France are still developing, and if we ever play PNG or Tonga in England, then a SL ground would be fine.

I like that list of stadiums, though, and because I'm hopeful that Great Britain will return permanently, I'll also throw the Principality Stadium into the "variation" pot.

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4 hours ago, Dave T said:

Going back to a Manchester, Leeds and London format would be going back to some of our most successful recent series. It is a form that was working.

It is certainly the most logical and gives the best spread of fixtures.

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I would rotate between:

Manchester, Leeds, London

Leeds, Bristol, London

Manchester, Newcastle, London

Leeds, Coventry, London

Keeping one key North and South location with one 'expansion' City thrown in.

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2 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

For matches against Australia and New Zealand, I completely agree. I think maybe while France are still developing, and if we ever play PNG or Tonga in England, then a SL ground would be fine.

I like that list of stadiums, though, and because I'm hopeful that Great Britain will return permanently, I'll also throw the Principality Stadium into the "variation" pot.

Yes, I should have clarified that. Agreed.

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6 hours ago, Dave T said:

I think we should look for different games. We are really milking this NZ match up!

We are, and I think that should be taken into account when criticising this series' attendances.

Whilst I don't believe everything was good by any means in how it was promoted, it's worth remembering that the attendances we have been getting in recent years for the Kiwis, including yesterday, are historically excellent. The direction of travel is concerning series to series but the absolute figures stack up very well within the context of the sport.

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1 hour ago, scotchy1 said:

id be interested to see what we would get if we took a France or Tonga game to elland road. Even if we got 20-25k surely that is better than 7k at Leigh or even 15k at Headingley. 

I just don't think you'd get that sort of attendance though. People aren't stupid - they aren't going because it's Elland Road, they turn up because the game is attractive and Leeds is surrounded by lots of Rugby League fans who know the difference between France and New Zealand. Headingley would be a much better option all round.

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Yesterday felt like an ‘event’. I took 2 non rugby girls (10 and 15 years old), don’t think they understood the rugby, but loved the build up, the remembrance ceremony, the anthems, Haka, fireworks, free flags, dust ups, drum and Mexican wave. Went back home saying they loved it. If they had come to Hull (as I did) there is no way I would have got them to another match 

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