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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

The club won't exist to pay whats owed unless the new owner comes in and he will only come in to a club in Super League.

I don't know why some of the posters are sooooooo confused over this Tommy...its been made very clear...its like some twisted form of willful blindness or something.   The gig is up...its take it or leave it...go for it or run and hide in the shadows...no in-between now...that is probably what they are struggling with.

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4 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

I don't know why some of the posters are sooooooo confused over this Tommy...its been made very clear...its like some twisted form of willful blindness or something.   The gig is up...its take it or leave it...go for it or run and hide in the shadows...no in-between now...that is probably what they are struggling with.

It is a bit annoying going over the same point repeatedly, especially when it is so simple.

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3 hours ago, Derwent said:

The NFL themselves have stated that they have lost money but are prepared to stand them in the pursuit of a more lucrative TV contract.

As you can read here, they decline to state whether they have or have not lost money, but "the NFL’s gate revenue from ticket buyers at London’s Wembley Stadium has regularly exceeded $30 million in recent years" and they have new and improved UK TV contract now too.  So the series becoming profitable is only a matter of time if it hasn't happened already.

 

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12 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

It is a bit annoying going over the same point repeatedly, especially when it is so simple.

Patience Tommy...we have a moral obligation to bring them along, albeit slowly....patience Tommy...we are doing the work of the Rugby Gods.

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5 minutes ago, SL17 said:

Then based on the plan of SL or nothing. Leaves TWP in a vulnerable position with P&R  still in place, or would you suggest a 10 year exemption from relegation?

Are you familiar with Plato and his 'Allegory of the Cave'?...it is pertinent here.

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Does that include the NRL decision makers?

If RFL/SL rejects the Wolfpack this week, will V'landys come over the hill on one of his White Chargers to save the day?

Or could it be NIMBY sympathy?

Without a doubt, I have seen Phil Gould who is a mouth piece for the NRL these days say unequivocally and unprompted the NRL needs a strong Super League. V`landy`s, Gould, Abdo, Bennet et.al. no doubt have a grand vision for League and SL will be part of it. Please don` t take that as being patronising.

The Private Equity valuation of the NRL was released yesterday $3.1 b and they are talking about selling a 20% stake, now there has been chatter about buying a stake in SL. Don`t think it will happen yet, I don`t think they are ready, too much to sort out here after twenty years of sleepwalking while the bloody afl got under our guard. The NRL has got issues to deal with as well.

Nothing to do with sympathy Harry, its business, we`ve got a kick-ar$e product we want to take to the world, toes are going to get trodden on.

P.S. Had a letter published in the LoveRugbyLeague mailbox today, you never did give me your opinion.

 

 

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1 hour ago, SL17 said:

No no no.. He will only pay the debts if they remain in SL. No SL, no LiVolsi.

It's a negotiating starting point. He wants to take over ownership but wants the club to be in SL when he does (as that is where they were pre-withdrawal). If you act as if you are serious at the start your position will be taken more seriously. If he indicates potential for lessening his demands publicly then he makes it less likely that he will get something close to what he would prefer as the other side know they can get him to budge before the negotiating even begins. Unless TWP are facing a definite, no matter what is offered refusal of the application to return then both sides will make some level of compromise during the process before the application is either approved or rejected. No doubt similar hard line stances are being espoused at the SL clubs' end, its just that with more than one voice to be heard in the SL/RFL decision making we aren't hearing it as there isn't a single determined position from that side yet.

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1 hour ago, Kayakman said:

Patience Tommy...we have a moral obligation to bring them along, albeit slowly....patience Tommy...we are doing the work of the Rugby Gods.

We shall save them in spite of themselves!

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26 minutes ago, TIWIT said:

We shall save them in spite of themselves!

Its our civic rugby duty to try and help them and show them the way...they are in the shadows but we shall cast light upon them!

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3 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

So now we sort of know there will be no rugby crowds until the spring.

You'd think that makes it more likely SL clubs say no to Toronto given there will be less income flowing into the clubs between now and then.

My God you are starting to sound desperate...pulling at any and all straws.  Relax, its going to play itself out...wait for Friday.  Its all going to be Okay...its all going to work out.  Prepare yourself mentally though so it doesn't come as a complete shocker.

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3 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

So now we sort of know there will be no rugby crowds until the spring.

You'd think that makes it more likely SL clubs say no to Toronto given there will be less income flowing into the clubs between now and then.

I'd say it makes them more likely to say yes to Toronto, provided they don't take a TV share in year 1. If Toronto folds and the clubs have to admit Leigh or whoever then the existing SL clubs will be down about 150k each. My guess is the TV funds is a bargaining chip for the new TWP owners, not a red line. 

The only other option is to run with 11, which until now at least has had no public support from any of the SL clubs.

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5 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

I'd say it makes them more likely to say yes to Toronto, provided they don't take a TV share in year 1. If Toronto folds and the clubs have to admit Leigh or whoever then the existing SL clubs will be down about 150k each. My guess is the TV funds is a bargaining chip for the new TWP owners, not a red line. 

The only other option is to run with 11, which until now at least has had no public support from any of the SL clubs.

Of course Toronto has been, and always will be, reasonable in all things.

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Well I am going to say something that I hope resonates with most people on here.

Irrespective of the decision to re-admit TWP or not I will still offer my unconditional support to the game of RL and to my club Cas Tigers.

Also I will still make comment on issues across the game and continue to have a great debate with others on here that either share my view or not.

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20 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

I'd say it makes them more likely to say yes to Toronto, provided they don't take a TV share in year 1. If Toronto folds and the clubs have to admit Leigh or whoever then the existing SL clubs will be down about 150k each. My guess is the TV funds is a bargaining chip for the new TWP owners, not a red line. 

The only other option is to run with 11, which until now at least has had no public support from any of the SL clubs.

But isn't Toronto demanding central funding?

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51 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

I'd say it makes them more likely to say yes to Toronto, provided they don't take a TV share in year 1. If Toronto folds and the clubs have to admit Leigh or whoever then the existing SL clubs will be down about 150k each. My guess is the TV funds is a bargaining chip for the new TWP owners, not a red line. 

The only other option is to run with 11, which until now at least has had no public support from any of the SL clubs.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the outcome is something like Toronto get 75% of what the other Super League clubs get. 

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If twp don't get there place in SL back ?? Who is it everyone thinks leigh should replace them in my eyes it should be fev who replace's them they were runners up in the million pound game in other sports if the winner gets demoted the runner up always takes there place as the winner

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5 minutes ago, plug said:

If twp don't get there place in SL back ?? Who is it everyone thinks leigh should replace them in my eyes it should be fev who replace's them they were runners up in the million pound game in other sports if the winner gets demoted the runner up always takes there place as the winner

No-one

Go with 11

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52 minutes ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

Well I am going to say something that I hope resonates with most people on here.

Irrespective of the decision to re-admit TWP or not I will still offer my unconditional support to the game of RL and to my club Cas Tigers.

Also I will still make comment on issues across the game and continue to have a great debate with others on here that either share my view or not.

Aye.... apart from that cas bit you make decent contributions here😉

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5 hours ago, dkw said:

A quick google to see if they make or lose money on the London games appears to be .....inconclusive ha ha. Its very difficult to see how they do, though one article says Jacksonville wanted 2 games here in 2020 to make up for losses while their stadium is being built:-

Though again, that could infer loads of things, it could be them playing on the road elsewhere loses them more moeny than they do in London etc.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pjstar.com/sports/20160930/nfl-game-in-london-sell-out-every-time---and-still-lose-money%3ftemplate=ampart
 

 

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7 hours ago, Kayakman said:

I don't know why some of the posters are sooooooo confused over this Tommy...its been made very clear...its like some twisted form of willful blindness or something.   The gig is up...its take it or leave it...go for it or run and hide in the shadows...no in-between now...that is probably what they are struggling with.

 

7 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

It is a bit annoying going over the same point repeatedly, especially when it is so simple.

I can't believe people do not realise that as far as LiVolsi is concerned it is SL or he walks, but what people do realise is that LiVolsi is playing a game with people's livelihood being all the player's and creditors that are owed money, quite simply he is passing the blame to the RL/SL of them not getting payed if TWP are rejected.

The simplest solution and probably the most cost effective as the land lies at the moment for SL clubs is to reject Toronto and gaurentee the players who have not been payed some compensation payed through the central funding be it 50, 75 or 100%. Up to their SC wage level. Marque players would be paid what is the % owed of 150K. So I would estimate that at the full cap level of 2.1M for saleries owed less the months already payed it would cost the SL clubs in the region of 120K each at 100% cost.

In the podcast with Brian Nobel he stated that the travel and subsistance for visiting teams cost Toronto 850K that would be 77K per club, add in the funding Toronto are demanding thats another 180K so each club are 250Kish down by readmitting Toronto.

So what do Toronto do that will increase SL clubs revenue by 250K per season at present? Anyone please, minus a TV deal is it Zilch? 

Toronto sympathisers have been 'playing' the Covid card ever since they stood back from the fixtures, but the situation with Covid is it has impacted on all the SL clubs also, they have already had a reduction on the Sky funding which is I believe 280K, so add that to the 250K Toronto would cost each club, it doesn't take much working out that refusing Toronto is the most cost effective option.

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36 minutes ago, plug said:

If twp don't get there place in SL back ?? Who is it everyone thinks leigh should replace them in my eyes it should be fev who replace's them they were runners up in the million pound game in other sports if the winner gets demoted the runner up always takes there place as the winner

of course taking into consideration the new UK restrictions which could persist for quite some time any replacement club has to survive into 2021 which cannot be guaranteed. I dont want to see any club go out of business including my own TWP. Everyone should be pulling together now more than ever.

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