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9 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

The area of Leigh produces pro players Tommy, it has a number of junior teams that participate in the league systems, you know like other places in Lancashire (Gtr Manchester for arguments sake), West and North Yorkshire, Cumbria and Humberside in towns that have pro clubs but no academies, what would you do have the focal point of the sport in those towns squashed?

Can you not get it through your head that the wealthy SL clubs hoover up all the best kids available as young as 13 years old for fear of missing them, look at your own academy of the last 20years are so including the 'Golden Generation' how many were kids from outside the Leeds Boundaries?

It was the RL set up in those towns that introduced the kids to the game not the SL clubs they ended with.

Harry, Harry, Harry. As you said it matters if the pro team produces players, if they don't they're just a leech on a dying body of the RL player base. Unless a club has an academy or is the only RL outpost in the council area I agree its a pointless endeavour that actively harms the game's player pool, get rid!

Its taken me a while to agree with you on this but you've won me round. Why fund these leech clubs when the amateurs are the one's in need of funding and actually produce players? Canadian RL doesn't need Toronto Wolfpack to help grassroots development (you've said so many times thats what you want) so why does Wigan MDC RL need Leigh Centurions on top of the Warriors? Or Leeds CC RL need Hunslet? Or Wakefield MDC need Fev Rovers? The player pool is so dire as you say these leech clubs just take from the pool, why do we need them on top of what else we have?

Obviously your argument is that the player pool is so tight that we need to contract as much as possible to the clubs with academies and maybe a few outposts. Only when they are producing surpluses can we even think about expanding the professional game into places like Leigh! 

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3 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

That’s all fair enough but did you actually expect Super League/The RFL/whoever to actually release full details behind their findings to the public? 

I'll let you know when I see a fag packet rolling over the road...

In fairness from journos etc we have actually heard most of it. Hence the "zero material benefit in the short to medium term" quote. That there's not a lot is a reflection on the Super League not those questioning it.

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4 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

I'll let you know when I see a fag packet rolling over the road...

In fairness from journos etc we have actually heard most of it. Hence the "zero material benefit in the short to medium term" quote. That there's not a lot is a reflection on the Super League not those questioning it.

I don’t think it is a reflection on anyone. They’re not duty bound to release these details behind their findings. 

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3 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

I don’t think it is a reflection on anyone. They’re not duty bound to release these details behind their findings. 

I think its more likely that their are no details, which is why the RFL came to the opposite conclusion. Even if you want to discount Leeds, Saints and Catalans votes as being anti-Elstone or pro-expansion, the RFL vote is a bit of a stinger. 

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1 minute ago, Davo5 said:

Your assuming there actually is any detail in their findings.

And you’re assuming there isn’t. Who knows, you might be right, I might be right but they’re not going to release the report and any supporting evidence to the report (if there is any) and nor should they be expected to. 

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On a related topic - will SLE now be pursuing Mr Argyll so that they can get the money to pay the TWP players and refund the RL hardship fund? It was variously announced that he had given a 'cast iron guarantee' of an unbreakable promise. If he has no cash, chase him for assets.

If the guarantee was BS, who in SLE did the due diligence on this?

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42 minutes ago, RugbyFan99 said:

On a related topic - will SLE now be pursuing Mr Argyll so that they can get the money to pay the TWP players and refund the RL hardship fund? It was variously announced that he had given a 'cast iron guarantee' of an unbreakable promise. If he has no cash, chase him for assets.

If the guarantee was BS, who in SLE did the due diligence on this?

Would you expect them to pursue Argyle anymore vigorously than they have pursued other former owners that have bailed on clubs and left a long line of creditors?

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1 hour ago, RugbyFan99 said:

On a related topic - will SLE now be pursuing Mr Argyll so that they can get the money to pay the TWP players and refund the RL hardship fund? It was variously announced that he had given a 'cast iron guarantee' of an unbreakable promise. If he has no cash, chase him for assets.

If the guarantee was BS, who in SLE did the due diligence on this?

Under which jurisdiction would you expect them to waste their money?

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Always admired McDermott both as player and coach, admire him a bit more now. 

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Let’s get this right.

For all the genuine interest and excellent crowds (and some great people as part of their fanbase) they generated, Toronto were style over substance BS merchants who ultimately let down the game, didn’t put rugby balls in kids’ hands as per their mission statement and left bills unpaid with seemingly anyone associated with them. 

They simply couldn’t be trusted and paid the price for that. Despite the holes in their business plan - and the lack of evidence for their commercial value to the wider game - the vote may have gone another way if they’d been above board. 

Covid was obviously a factor but it has to be remembered that Toronto were 0-6 and the novelty value was running thin when the season was suspended. We’ll never know for sure but they were favourites to be relegated. 

Would Argyle have stuck around after this year even without Covid given the utter horlicks they’d made of recruitment?

Tonight Brian McDermott repeatedly said Argyle had a ‘turbulent’ attitude to financing Toronto pre-Covid, when it struck he dropped them like a stone.

My point is if I was a Toronto fan I’d be just as frustrated by the owners and directors of the Wolfpack as with Super League clubs and directors. The ‘Ooh, Super League are so selfish and nasty and it’s all their fault’ attitude is a pathetic one.

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Just now, Man of Kent said:

Let’s get this right.

For all the genuine interest and excellent crowds (and some great people as part of their fanbase) they generated, Toronto were style over substance BS merchants who ultimately let down the game, didn’t put rugby balls in kids’ hands as per their mission statement and left bills unpaid with seemingly anyone associated with them. 

They simply couldn’t be trusted and paid the price for that. Despite the holes in their business plan - and the lack of evidence for their commercial value for the wider game - the vote may have gone another way if they’d been above board. 

Covid was obviously a factor but it has to be remembered that Toronto were 0-6 and the novelty value was running thin when the season was suspended. We’ll never know for sure but they were favourites to be relegated. 

Would Argyle have stuck around after this year even without Covid given the utter horlicks they’d made of recruitment?

Tonight Brian McDermott repeatedly said Argyle had a ‘turbulent’ attitude to financing Toronto pre-Covid, when it struck he dropped them like a stone.

My point is if I was a Toronto fan I’d be just as frustrated by the owners and directors of the Wolfpack as with Super League clubs and directors. The ‘Ooh, Super League are so selfish and nasty and it’s all their fault’ attitude is a pathetic one.

Was it running thin? Toronto at home on a televised Thursday night was a better crowd than a non televised Friday night against a well followed Hull KR.

The rest is conjecture.

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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Was it running thin? Toronto at home on a televised Thursday night was a better crowd than a non televised Friday night against a well followed Hull KR.

The rest is conjecture.

That game at Warrington (against Saints, as I recall) in front of nobody looked absolutely awful. 

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