sweaty craiq Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) Edited April 19, 2021 by sweaty craiq 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 They’d be level on points with Leigh. 4 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Or imagine if Toulouse had been in Super League... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 The seasons two games old. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Damien said: Or imagine if Toulouse had been in Super League... Or Dewsbury, SL missed a trick there if that table is owt to go by. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Imagine if I had resisted the temptation not to have a go at the OP's grammar..... 1 https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShropshireBull Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 If the playoffs stopped at that I'd take it tbf. TO and FEV, Eagles moving into new stadium next year with their 500,000 population. Fax back in playoffs and Dewsbury the sentimentalists team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I wish id stuck in at maths ... sheesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANO Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Imagine they wouldn’t have the teams they have now sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, DavidM said: I wish id stuck in at maths ... sheesh I wish the person that made the table did too. Sheffield have 269% points diff, not 267%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Can I just say, using the difference between the points scored and against as a percentage is a ridiculous way to work things out. Toulouse have a smaller points difference but a huge difference percentage. Surely it should be the points average? i.e. difference divided by the number of games? Sheffield - 22 Featherstone - 20 Toulouse - 19.5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zylya Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) Didn't Newcastle get promoted from League 1? Why would they have gone to the Super League? Edited April 20, 2021 by zylya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 11 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: Can I just say, using the difference between the points scored and against as a percentage is a ridiculous way to work things out. Toulouse have a smaller points difference but a huge difference percentage. Surely it should be the points average? i.e. difference divided by the number of games? Sheffield - 22 Featherstone - 20 Toulouse - 19.5 totally agree.. Points percentage I understand in the current circumstances (though I don't then get why Toulouse were awarded the points against London, I thought that was the whole point of the percentage idea) but points difference as a percentage just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.. the average is the better way of doing it (which is what the percentage does for the game points to a large extent but it then doesn't work on points difference). This is not just me looking at it because it would put eagles top.. god help us if we finished there at the end of this season, no matter how much i would love a super league team i cant see it being a great idea at the mo! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Griff Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 14 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: I wish the person that made the table did too. Sheffield have 269% points diff, not 267%. It was 417%, we won and now it's only 269%. It takes some getting used to. Of course, it's not 269% points difference. There's no subtraction involved there. Despite the heading of "Diff%" in RL&LE. It's just what we used to call points average, expressed as a percentage. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, Griff said: It was 417%, we won and now it's only 269%. Surely you've won 100%? https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, marklaspalmas said: Surely you've won 100%? Well we haven't won 269% of our games, that's for sure. No, the tie break - points average. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 hours ago, zylya said: Didn't Newcastle get promoted from League 1? Why would they have gone to the Super League? Iirc they were interested before the rule that you had to already be in the championship was introduced (you know, the rules that were made up to shoehorn Leigh in). You have to play in red and white and can’t be within 3 miles of a railway station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Eddie said: Iirc they were interested before the rule that you had to already be in the championship was introduced (you know, the rules that were made up to shoehorn Leigh in). You have to play in red and white and can’t be within 3 miles of a railway station. Why did York even apply... they have a railway museum FFS.. talk about blowing people's minds! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 16 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: Can I just say, using the difference between the points scored and against as a percentage is a ridiculous way to work things out. Toulouse have a smaller points difference but a huge difference percentage. Surely it should be the points average? i.e. difference divided by the number of games? Sheffield - 22 Featherstone - 20 Toulouse - 19.5 Well, points average is the system we've been saddled with - points for divided by points against. What you've got there is Average points difference - points difference divided by games. It would make a lot more sense and fit in much better with what we're used to. I don't think much thought goes into this. Nobody thinks "let's play about with a few numbers and see how this plan looks in practice." "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Warrior Dragon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 hours ago, RP London said: totally agree.. Points percentage I understand in the current circumstances (though I don't then get why Toulouse were awarded the points against London, I thought that was the whole point of the percentage idea) but points difference as a percentage just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.. the average is the better way of doing it (which is what the percentage does for the game points to a large extent but it then doesn't work on points difference). This is not just me looking at it because it would put eagles top.. god help us if we finished there at the end of this season, no matter how much i would love a super league team i cant see it being a great idea at the mo! No. The whole point of the percentage idea is to cope with the scenario in which a game cannot be played for reasons beyond both teams' control, and there is not a suitable point later in the calendar at which it can be played. The only thing that stopped the Toulouse -v- London fixture going ahead was the decision of the London club not to fulfill it. I have some sympathy for the point that you and others have made about the limitations of a points percentage, as opposed to average winning margin. For instance if the game had gone ahead in Toulouse last weekend and the home side had won by more than 24 points, say 32-6, then their points difference percentage would be a lot lower (441.67 in the theoretical instance I cite) In other words, the system adopted arguably rewards defence more than attack; some may think that is fine, but I am not convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said: No. The whole point of the percentage idea is to cope with the scenario in which a game cannot be played for reasons beyond both teams' control, and there is not a suitable point later in the calendar at which it can be played. The only thing that stopped the Toulouse -v- London fixture going ahead was the decision of the London club not to fulfill it. probably best to agree to disagree on that point otherwise the thread will get derailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Warrior Dragon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, RP London said: probably best to agree to disagree on that point otherwise the thread will get derailed. Not sure there is much to disagree on, RP, as I have simply laid out the facts as I understand them. Whether you or I like how the authorities reacted to London's decision is another matter, of course, which is why I steered clear of expressing an opinion because, as you rightly say, that way looms thread derailment. OK, agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 What confuses folk is heading up that column "Diff" when it's nothing of the sort. Would it be a lot of effort to change the heading ? "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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