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I'm not a fan of inidigenous or Maori teams playing - players miss out through no fault of their own. 

I'm OK with artifical teams of some sort though, we see West Indies in Cricket, and there is the Olympic 'other nationalities' section. 

I think it needs to be Australia XIII and NZ XIII instead of Kangaroos and Kiwis though if you do this. 

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5 minutes ago, Jim from Oz said:

We will  all know on Monday after the meeting of the Asia Pacific rugby league group

If they all agree to go I say, let the World Cup go on!

The 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles were without the entire eastern block and they were absolutely brilliant

Absolutely agree.

I think the competition we still be a financial success. The central funding and impressive array of sponsors will be retained. Yes, it’ll have an impact on crowds where the Aussies/Kiwis are a draw but I have the upmost faith in the Leeds/Warrington population to still turn up in great numbers if the US/Serbia/Brazil are playing instead. The impact on those nations (both in terms of financial and prestige) will be fantastic and it’ll also send the message that the game is bigger than two nations. 

Big if in regards to those Pacific nations but I think we’ll still make the tournament a roaring success. 

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Some really good comments and thoughts from everyone. 
 

The big problem now is that even if it postponed what is to stop this happening next year? They’ve already shown they will do whatever they want and whenever they want and could easily pull the same trick again.

To go ahead though we need 1) All nations at full strength with cast iron guaranteees 2) Govt support - this will be key… how much do they want this to happen to show that we are ‘open for business’ and do they support it if we run without Oz and NZ. I expect there’s some serious talks happening/planned for next week there.

 

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The Gov will give no money for next year and will be against a football World cup.  

Unless Australia and NZ are prepared to hand over a sizeable bond now for next year it has to be this year.  

None of our broadcast media should ever regirgitate the player safety line and If they do we should immediately note that Australia RU are already in the UK for nov games.

Think if their are Aussie players and Kiwi players prepared to break ranks I would have no problem supporting them with an invitational 13. 

But if this doesnt lead to the RFL realising our international rl growth will have to be a Euro 4 nations and NA teams we never will. 

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8 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

I love your optimism. But it’s a dead end. ARLC have said there’s no more negiotation. I’ve seen a similar statement from the NZRL. This has nothing to do with COVID and everything to do with power and money.

I totally agree it has nothing to do with Covid and everything about power and money, but I still implore everyone to let the NRL know how disgusted they are about it, every tiny little bit of pushback helps, and most of all, it’s always important to stand up to bullies! 

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3 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I'm not a fan of inidigenous or Maori teams playing - players miss out through no fault of their own. 

I'm OK with artifical teams of some sort though, we see West Indies in Cricket, and there is the Olympic 'other nationalities' section. 

I think it needs to be Australia XIII and NZ XIII instead of Kangaroos and Kiwis though if you do this. 

I am not a big fan either. But what a massive two fingers up to the ARLC/NZRL if their own player base does this… same with the Pacific Islanders… I’d accept them simply out of spite! 

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1 hour ago, Toby Chopra said:

Then fans would be contributing to the demise of English rugby league. 

We all feel betrayed, and we have been. So it's natural to want to stick it to the Aussies and tell them we can do without them forever. I've felt that too. 

But when tempers have settled we have to find a way back from this. There's no future for international rugby league without Australia, and without international rugby league the English game would be on the fast track to total marginalisation. 

It's a terrible situation, but cutting off our noses to spite our faces will be even worse. 

Don't agree... I'd buy tickets to other games but I would avoid anything involving those two... if the other games were packed but there's were half empty I think that would speak well. 

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I don't have tickets, yet, but I'm planning on one group game and the semi at the Emirates.

If this goes ahead without Aus and NZ I will add in a couple more games to reward the bravery of the organisers. I suspect many will do the same.

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With the record and unprecedented levels of funding the RLWC is in a better position than ever before to continue without Australia and NZ. We are not dependent financially on the participation of Australia or NZ for the first time ever.

I'm not interested in teams like the indigenous and Maori teams, however much I would like to see the black eye it gives to the Aussies and Kiwis. We need bona fide nations in the RLWC and I wasn't a fan of the Maoris being included in 2000. It's divisive leaves the game open to ridicule.

The RLWC has to continue and take place for the good of the game and the IRL. The major difficulty is if we have any more withdrawals from PNG, Tonga, Fiji or Samoa. That is why I would be paying them enough to ensure they still play and make the decision easier.

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4 minutes ago, RP London said:

Don't agree... I'd buy tickets to other games but I would avoid anything involving those two... if the other games were packed but there's were half empty I think that would speak well. 

Yeah - I'd go to other games too.

They're usually better games anyway.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

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Just now, MrPosh said:

I don't have tickets, yet, but I'm planning on one group game and the semi at the Emirates.

If this goes ahead without Aus and NZ I will add in a couple more games to reward the bravery of the organisers. I suspect many will do the same.

Champion attitude. 🙏
 

I feel many fans would be like you.

I know if I could escape the prison that is Australia, I would be going to every single game I could get to! Just to say, #### you to V’landys!!

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33 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

The Tongan invitational 13 side has been sensational - and was a result of a governing body being a d***head. Parallels here too

Australia 13 would still be Australian players and would still be passionate and would still be very good. Non obsessive fans (I.e. not us on here) would understand exceptional circumstances etc - Covid 

I say we do it

I think it would be a bigger slap in the face to v'landys if we have an aus 13 and nz 13 made up of a real strong squad that said "I want to play"... his player welfare argument goes out the window then... 

Unless he is sort of waiting for them to do that and he says oh OK then but you know the consequences we want you all at pre season training on time.. no excuses... you've broken the cba etc..

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18 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

I love your optimism. But it’s a dead end. ARLC have said there’s no more negiotation. I’ve seen a similar statement from the NZRL. This has nothing to do with COVID and everything to do with power and money.

Surely it's better to try and make your feelings known rather than just give up and take it lying down?

Well done to everyone that has made their feelings know 👏

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No idea if the tournament is still feasible but I really hope it goes ahead without Aus and NZ.

Assuming England would make the final (I realise that’s not guaranteed), it would be a great opportunity for a real feel good story for the other finalist.

Just imagine the scenes in Tonga if they got to the final, never mind if they won. I’d doubt they’d care Aus and NZ weren’t in it.

Let’s go ahead and get behind it.

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13 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Hoping by France 2025 I have improved my circumstances enough to watch in France.  100% as it stands I wouldnt attend a single game with either team. 

This is madness. People already talking about boycotting some of the biggest games of a future world cup that hasn't even been awarded yet. 

It's also the most rugby league thing ever. 

We all feel hurt, and maybe it's still too raw. But at some point we're going to have to get over ourselves and be the bigger people and find a way to come back together. 

We either come together as a sport or the writing's on the wall. 

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A good read from Matthew Shaw:

It would appear you're in a bit of a hole here, V'landys. Maybe you haven't really thought this one through. Maybe you didn't anticipate the severity of the backlash.

Or is it you just don't really care about international rugby league? You're not doing a great deal to convince people otherwise at the minute are you, V'landys?

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/peter-vlandys-rugby-world-cup-21126668

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22 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I'm not a fan of inidigenous or Maori teams playing - players miss out through no fault of their own. 

I'm OK with artifical teams of some sort though, we see West Indies in Cricket, and there is the Olympic 'other nationalities' section. 

I think it needs to be Australia XIII and NZ XIII instead of Kangaroos and Kiwis though if you do this. 

The problem with indigenous/Maori teams or any NZ or Aussie team not backed by the NZRL or the ARL is I don’t think clubs would have to release players called up for them. 

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4 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

The problem with indigenous/Maori teams or any NZ or Aussie team not backed by the NZRL or the ARL is I don’t think clubs would have to release players called up for them. 

No, this would have to be a team cobbled together from clubs who support. 

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