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2 hours ago, Johnoco said:

Well that's certainly good news. Are they doing anything different to what they might have done pre covid? 

Not sure about barrow, the main thing Town are doing differently to the last few years is win games.....ha ha. 

The town lot kept a good flow of information, good online interaction, social media etc. They managed to build a decent feel good factor around the club, quite a lot from Thorman who is a superb talker. 

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7 hours ago, Eddie said:

The Leeds one doesn’t seem too bad (would have been 12k before Covid?), but Wigan’s is horrendous. The clubs, SL and RFL need to wake up big time. 

And do what ?

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Well I bought tickets for the St Helens v Hull KR game.......then it got called off by Saints.

Now I have bought tickets for the Salford v Hull KR game....and it looks like Salford will be calling it off.

I'm wondering if it is worth buying tickets at all.

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On a brighter note at Leeds/Salford game the hospitality and the corporate box's were very busy - at Headingly that is quite a number of people paying significant monies. I have no doubt when the likes of Warrington I'm sure hospitality will be even busier/rammed packed. 

So they are doing something really well.

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4 hours ago, Chris22 said:

Season ticket culture. It's why play off crowds are so poor. With season ticket sales hugely impacted this year, it is reflected in poor crowd figures. Big test is in 2022 to see if sales rebound.

Fev are going to have 1 stand with social distancing and mandatory masks next week and the rest restriction free. Given most clubs have spare capacity, this is sensible.

Whilst I am not anxious at all about returning to rugby, many are and this is a good way of balancing differing views.

I don’t know why they changed the play offs from Top 5, to Top 6. Perhaps they might’ve to change the play offs again, were if you finish first you go straight through to Old Trafford. While the other sides battle it out to reach the final.
The club chairmen from the top tier must know the game is struggling, but their self interest means nothing will change. 

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9 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Or is it that people are just becoming disillusioned with the sport at pro level, I know I do not derive as much enjoyment from watching the game anymore, in fact I would never ever miss a televised game but these days there are times I just can't be bothered putting it on the TV.

 

 

 

THIS ☝️

Living in Europe the BBC and Streaming are the only way to watch live games.

I pay for the WatchNRL app, payed for the ###### Live RL app, pay for the Our League app yet its a few weeks since I sat down and watched a game live.

It used to be wall to wall NRL over the weekend but even that has gone bye the bye.

Even my local bar let me stream games on one of the TV`s whenever I wanted to. Beer and rugby nowt better 🙃

Last time I watched a game from the UK was Barrow v Town a couple weeks ago 

As for watching a SL game .......!!!!!!!

Strange after over 50 years being involved in the game and dissing union code I actually sat watched the Lions v SA at the weekend.

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And I thought I was depressed....

Yes, the quality of Super League is not as good and there are few , if any star names in the game but consider these reasons.

Playing matches on top of each other and cramming the games in playing at odd days in the week. Rugby Leagues adminstrators never seem to understand - less is more. The economy may be growing at its fastest for 80 years but at lot of people have lost their jobs and money is tight so they will picjand choose when to attend.

The enforced COVID break has meant may former Season ticket holders have found something different to do. Yes posters like myself have had enough of the monkey business at my club but that's not the case elsewhere, so I do think familer have found other leisure activities, and need something from their club to lure them back.

The aging Rugby League fanbase is another factor, sadly the older the fanbase gets the more fans die of natural causes. This is why all sports seek to reinvent themselves in one way or another to entice the next generation of supporters, Unfortunately League has a habit of trying to turn the clock back not forward

Finally, media coverage, outside the M62, it is like the game has fallen off the proverbial cliff. In the Murdoch era when SKY had some Aussies who were also leaguies. The Murdoch press publicised the game. Now under COMCAST / NBC it does not. Not sure there is anything that can be done there.

 

 

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1 hour ago, DimmestStar said:

Well I bought tickets for the St Helens v Hull KR game.......then it got called off by Saints.

Now I have bought tickets for the Salford v Hull KR game....and it looks like Salford will be calling it off.

I'm wondering if it is worth buying tickets at all.

You a Hull guy working in Manchester then? 

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4 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Do more to encourage fans to go to games, like Barrow are doing. 

Well they've kept the big screen they put up for the Euro's , I was in Barrow all last week 

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14 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Do more to encourage fans to go to games, like Barrow are doing. 

Giving tickets away can only ever be a short term policy, somebody must pay the players staff etc. The issue is after being let in for free you set the price expectations, you then charge a reasonable rate and its deemed too expensive. This has been the downfall of RL since SL started.

The quality of the entertainment (game) and the matchday experience are what matters.

Currently SL is a joke, poor officials, cheating players, cancelled fixtures, understrength clubs play one week then not the next, terrible covid compliance at some clubs.

How do you plan a day at the rugby next weekend when it will likely get cancelled the day before because a clubs percentages are better not playing.

PING.

 

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9 hours ago, Rach said:

Certainly at lower level RL , the whole social aspect of watching the game has been altered by restrictions , that have taken much of the joy away from spectating at this level and seen many drift off to watch the Community Game .

Over stewarding , lack of pre/post match social facilities , segregation / away fans bans , no paying on the gate meaning no spontaneous attendance , the threat of games being called off meaning an end of to overnight trips/ train travel  to more remote clubs , supporters buses unable to run due to social distancing making them financially unviable . 

I could go on ....



 

You've come up with plenty of reasons why the numbers are lessened.

Hopefully when all these disincentives are removed the numbers will climb up again. 

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4 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

Currently SL is a joke, poor officials, cheating players, cancelled fixtures, understrength clubs play one week then not the next, terrible covid compliance

Yes, although away from St Helens things aren't as bad.

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8 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Well they've kept the big screen they put up for the Euro's , I was in Barrow all last week 

Barrow board are just thinking of different ways to get people in the ground. Some Might not be paying the gate money but by getting them in very early the punters are spending on food and drinks. Free tickets to kids have to go with a paying adult and kids won’t go to the game unless they are eating and drinking the hole game. I no from experience. Lots of teenagers making a day of it now with their mates it’s great to see. The only down side to it is me and my mate have to go a bit early now cause someone else may be standing were we always stand so we now spend more on a few pints 

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8 hours ago, Whippet13 said:

Season ticket sales are significantly down across SL and the Championship in 2021, understandably people haven't bought due to Covid and not knowing what games they were getting or when. Season tickets drive people to attend regularly in RL so be interesting to see what behaviour the prospect of a settled 2022 brings, the sport needs to start pushing this as start of a "re-set" strategy. 

Age is also having an effect this year, Wigan for example has quite an old fan base (other clubs too), these people are much less likely to attend during a health pandemic. Covid is highlighting the need to attract younger people to RL, they are the ones driving attendance at other events in big numbers.

The low attendances are all down to low season ticket sales for this season. People just don’t buy tickets anymore for single games in big numbers, other than for big events and Finals. Clubs need to be really pushing a mini season ticket to the end of the year, something Leeds did reasonably well, hence their drop in attendance seems to be a smaller percentage than other clubs.

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1 hour ago, Butch said:

Barrow board are just thinking of different ways to get people in the ground. Some Might not be paying the gate money but by getting them in very early the punters are spending on food and drinks. Free tickets to kids have to go with a paying adult and kids won’t go to the game unless they are eating and drinking the hole game. I no from experience. Lots of teenagers making a day of it now with their mates it’s great to see. The only down side to it is me and my mate have to go a bit early now cause someone else may be standing were we always stand so we now spend more on a few pints 

Correct,  it’s the short term thinking that *really* harms RL. So what if 100 people turn up on a freebie? 80 of them might buy a pie and a pint. 50 of them might come again. 25 of them might pay to get in next time. 12 of them might become dedicated fans.

But because it doesn’t happen in 2 weeks, RL clubs sack it and many existing RL fans then say ‘see? We told you nobody was interested’. 

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12 hours ago, Eddie said:

The Leeds one doesn’t seem too bad (would have been 12k before Covid?), but Wigan’s is horrendous. The clubs, SL and RFL need to wake up big time. 

It's shown in recent years SL and the RFL haven't a clue how to push the game forward.

Sponsorship deals being less even before covid. Crowds falling before covid. They didn't have a clue how to promote the CC Final before covid and giving out free tickets is not the answer. Giving Robert Elstone a huge salary and all he could could come with was Cutting the wolfpack and gifting Leigh a Super League spot when they wasn't even the best side in the Championship last season, and lets not forget Private equity when he wanted to sell off the game on the cheap.Still allowing clubs with dumb's of grounds to stay in Super League. Letting clubs stay in Super League without academies.

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2 hours ago, yanto said:

THIS ☝️

Living in Europe the BBC and Streaming are the only way to watch live games.

I pay for the WatchNRL app, payed for the ###### Live RL app, pay for the Our League app yet its a few weeks since I sat down and watched a game live.

It used to be wall to wall NRL over the weekend but even that has gone bye the bye.

Even my local bar let me stream games on one of the TV`s whenever I wanted to. Beer and rugby nowt better 🙃

Last time I watched a game from the UK was Barrow v Town a couple weeks ago 

As for watching a SL game .......!!!!!!!

Strange after over 50 years being involved in the game and dissing union code I actually sat watched the Lions v SA at the weekend.

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Sadly people who were dyed in the wool Rugby League fans have been turned off the game by the inept RFL and their poor handling of it

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38 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

Correct,  it’s the short term thinking that *really* harms RL. So what if 100 people turn up on a freebie? 80 of them might buy a pie and a pint. 50 of them might come again. 25 of them might pay to get in next time. 12 of them might become dedicated fans.

But because it doesn’t happen in 2 weeks, RL clubs sack it and many existing RL fans then say ‘see? We told you nobody was interested’. 

If I was a CEO/general manager of a club I'd be pushing to budget for 1 free game a season , and try to fill the stadium on that day 

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On Monday 2 August Hull FC are at home to St Helens and Hull KR are at home to Catalans. That is, presuming Catalans don't become the 5th team running to pull out of a Rovers game due to COVID. And Saints decide they are in good enough health to resume their season.

Whatever how ridiculous is it for the Hull clubs to be playing massive games against the top 2 teams in Super League on the same night? And even more ridiculous for it to be on a MONDAY?

The Hull clubs did well prior to COVID with Football Club averaging over 10,000 and Kingston Rovers in excess of 8,000 but I don't think we are going to see anything like that on Monday. 

It almost seems as if things have been set up to MINIMISE the attendances.

 

 

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34 minutes ago, lucky 7 said:

It's shown in recent years SL and the RFL haven't a clue how to push the game forward.

Sponsorship deals being less even before covid. Crowds falling before covid. They didn't have a clue how to promote the CC Final before covid and giving out free tickets is not the answer. Giving Robert Elstone a huge salary and all he could could come with was Cutting the wolfpack and gifting Leigh a Super League spot when they wasn't even the best side in the Championship last season, and lets not forget Private equity when he wanted to sell off the game on the cheap.Still allowing clubs with dumb's of grounds to stay in Super League. Letting clubs stay in Super League without academies.

Last season the Championship didn't play 

The academy argument is very , very complicated , has been debated a hundred times and I get the impression you haven't a clue about them 

Other than that , crack on 

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58 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

If I was a CEO/general manager of a club I'd be pushing to budget for 1 free game a season , and try to fill the stadium on that day 

Then beyond that….what? We’ve seen several examples of games with free attendance, it rarely amounts to anything if not backed up with something. 
It’s pointless letting everyone in free on 7th July and expecting things to change by the 14th. 

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