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gingerjon

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9 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

The rest, including those in the academy origin clash, are playing for free. 

If you've got a sporty kid, I honestly think rugby league would be so far down the list of sports you'd want them to go for these days.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)


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Scubby

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If it does go to 14 I would assume they will try and kneecap the newer clubs (Leigh, Featherstone, Toulouse) by having them on less central funding (or even zero central funding) compared to the 11 currently on full distribution?

Ridiculous I hear you cry, it will all be fair and above board!

If they do, it would have to drop to something like £1.3-1.35m 14 ways. That isn't going to happen.

 

Dave T

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20 hours ago, Hela Wigmen said:

That’s the thing. There’s pretty minor details  to be fiddled with to make Magic a different spectacle from just some teams playing fixtures in a different stadium than their ordinary one that comes down to marketing, PR and advertising rather than much else. It’s quite lazily arranged. The 2020 Magic seemed to have a bit more thought put into it, with a fan park as a trail through the city centre rather than in a small car park by a Metro station, as done previously. 

I *think* there was meant to be an improved fanzone in Newcastle last year wasn't there?

I think this event needs real effort from a non-RL entertainment point of view. The last time I went to Newcastle we had a fanzone outide of the ground where you can't get a beer or owt. Just a couple of sponsor stalls.

There have been some great fanzones - some decent entertianment etc. I suppose the problem that SL will see is that when they have made less effort the crowds haven't dropped - but I think that misses the point. They haven't capitalised on what Magic Weekend is. I always make the point that this should be sold as a festival - Super League Fest or something. It should be as much about top bands playing a set between games - an after party, fun and games during the day - but those things have always been done as an afterthought once we have sold tickets. They should be a key part of the ticket sales process. 

Hela Wigmen

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10 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I *think* there was meant to be an improved fanzone in Newcastle last year wasn't there?

I think this event needs real effort from a non-RL entertainment point of view. The last time I went to Newcastle we had a fanzone outide of the ground where you can't get a beer or owt. Just a couple of sponsor stalls.

There have been some great fanzones - some decent entertianment etc. I suppose the problem that SL will see is that when they have made less effort the crowds haven't dropped - but I think that misses the point. They haven't capitalised on what Magic Weekend is. I always make the point that this should be sold as a festival - Super League Fest or something. It should be as much about top bands playing a set between games - an after party, fun and games during the day - but those things have always been done as an afterthought once we have sold tickets. They should be a key part of the ticket sales process. 

Yeah, from memory it was supposed to ‘start’ in Newcastle City Centre somewhere and go up to towards the stadium, which sounded positive and an improvement on 2018, where it was in a small gravel car park like area outside of a Metro station where you couldn’t get food or drink and it was a couple of stalls and a photo opportunity with the Super League trophy and Paul Sculthorpe. 

There was a logo a few years prior that had a bit of a festival type approach to it but that seemed to be about it. I agree with all of what you say though, it should be all of those things at the forefront of the event, alongside the games themselves, not an after thought. 

Chris22

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10 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

https://www.totalrl.com/a-future-structure-for-rugby-league-competitions/

Where do you even start with tripe like that? Bloody hell. 

A lot of thought and work has gone into that, clearly, so I don't want to just pan it. Especially as so many have complaints but few put forward solutions.

But I struggle to see fans of Super League clubs paying to watch walkovers against part time players. I also don't see Sky wanting to broadcast it. Then there are player welfare concerns arising from so many mismatches. And the question of where the funding comes from.

Hela Wigmen

Hela Wigmen

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4 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Catalans Vs West Wales Raiders.

I could see records being broken there!

And bones, peoples interest in the sport and broadcasters interest. 

1 minute ago, Damien said:

Its laughable. Its more bonkers than even the worst suggestions I have seen on here. How could a team with £80k funding ever compete with one that has £1.28m funding?

I’ve pretty much just said the same on social media. It’s easily the worst I’ve seen and so wrong for so many reasons. It’s incredible that he’s so out of touch. He’s suggest cross division games before and was shot down for that because there’s zero interest in it so now he’s bundled them int together but keeping the disparity in place. 

gingerjon

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18 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Catalans Vs West Wales Raiders.

I could see records being broken there!

For most languages on the scoreboard?

French, Catalan, Welsh and English.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

del capo

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Has Martyn  totally lost the plot ?

Even the NCL are struggling with  some  mismatches following  a conference type system enforced by Covid. Apart from anything else what's left of the fan base will vote with their feet if ever such a plan came to fruition.

Whatever happened to Little Mo's ' Framing the Future ' all those years ago ?

Martyn Sadler

Martyn Sadler

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34 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Catalans Vs West Wales Raiders.

I could see records being broken there!

You're assuming that the standards of the respective clubs will always be the same as they are today.

Martyn Sadler

Martyn Sadler

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34 minutes ago, Scubby said:

European SL with a Pennine and Greater Manchester Conference? 😄 Is there going to be a Fox's Biscuits Conference too?

It's like a corner shop rearranging their displays oblivious to the Tesco Megastore being built 100m down the road.

I know you're trying to make a comment to sound clever, but I would have hoped you could have done better than that.

Bearman

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Martin's idea is the best solution I have seen by far.

It's radical which is sorely needed

It helps preserve the existence of the current teams and yet opens the door to new aspirants.

IF ANYONE has a better idea for God's sake let us know NOW.

Ron Banks

Midlands Hurricanes and Barrow

Martyn Sadler

Martyn Sadler

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34 minutes ago, Damien said:

Its laughable. Its more bonkers than even the worst suggestions I have seen on here. How could a team with £80k funding ever compete with one that has £1.28m funding?

It will be doing with the RFL's proposed Challenge Cup format.

Seven pools of five teams each.

And the funding, as I say in the paper, is flexible.

Martyn Sadler

Martyn Sadler

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34 minutes ago, Chris22 said:

A lot of thought and work has gone into that, clearly, so I don't want to just pan it. Especially as so many have complaints but few put forward solutions.

But I struggle to see fans of Super League clubs paying to watch walkovers against part time players. I also don't see Sky wanting to broadcast it. Then there are player welfare concerns arising from so many mismatches. And the question of where the funding comes from.

Sky will of course not broadcast the matches that are likely to be one-sided, but that will be a minority of games.

What I've tried to do is create a system that gives all clubs an incentive to improve organically.

Martyn Sadler

Martyn Sadler

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35 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

And bones, peoples interest in the sport and broadcasters interest. 

I’ve pretty much just said the same on social media. It’s easily the worst I’ve seen and so wrong for so many reasons. It’s incredible that he’s so out of touch. He’s suggest cross division games before and was shot down for that because there’s zero interest in it so now he’s bundled them int together but keeping the disparity in place. 

You obviously prefer posting on here to reading and understanding.

Damien

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3 minutes ago, Martyn Sadler said:

You're assuming that the standards of the respective clubs will always be the same as they are today.

Well standards aren't going to get any better when they get a fraction of the funding, £80k v £1.28m, and when some of these clubs play at glorified park grounds. Make funding more even and standards at the top end decline significantly but there is still a huge gulf anyway because the top teams are way bigger in every way than the West Wales of this world. That's sport.

No broadcaster is going to pay big money to subsidise 32 clubs and a very low standard competition. They want to show the elite with top athletes, not an all encompassing Championship of low quality and low attendances.

Martyn Sadler

Martyn Sadler

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4 minutes ago, Bearman said:

Martin's idea is the best solution I have seen by far.

It's radical which is sorely needed

It helps preserve the existence of the current players and yet opens the door to new aspirants.

IF ANYONE has a better idea for God's sake let us know NOW.

That's the point.

We've been heading down a road marked 'failure' for too long. And the RFL's proposal doubles down on that, while saying to many clubs that they serve little purpose. I value all the clubs.

But if we carry on as we are, we're getting far too close to the point of no return.

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