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13 minutes ago, Scubby said:

But also I've been to Halifax where they have had 6-7k for a bog standard top flight game and Rothmans shows that a few years before that they were getting 2k. Sometimes Fax struggle to break 1000-1500 in recent years. The success is based on what you are willing to put into your club and its potential not what it is achieving now. 

I don't get what you are saying. Are you against putting teams in SL as franchises or for letting teams like Halifax, who once had crowds of 2k but went on to get crowds of 6-8k, try and grow naturally and earn the right to play in SL?

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16 minutes ago, zylya said:

I didn't say put them in Super League, I just said that they're growing and will get there eventually. The discussion started because someone suggested that they should stop promotion and relegation to protect the existing Super League clubs, many of which aren't growing.

Just because you've tried to reduce the whole of digital marketing to "making a few posts on Twitter" it doesn't mean that these clubs aren't building their profile which will help them to assemble stronger squads in the future.

The whole point is that the system needs to ALLOW these clubs the chance to get promoted, not close that option off to protect current teams. No one is suggesting that they be given a spot freely, only that they be allowed to contest for those spots in future.

I totally agree with what you said as long as contest for these spots in the future means by promotion and relegation on the field.

Like for me I can never see London as a SL team but they deserved a chance because they earnt it on the field. Now if we were just to stick them in SL just because of their location then I only see this as a bad thing for the longterm future of the game.

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5 hours ago, Toby Chopra said:

It might seem a bit of a distraction given everything else that's going on, but this meeting was surely coming and is very important. 

If the reports are to believed, we've signed a short-term extension to the TV deal at reduced rates, which inevitably means less money to go around and difficult choices to make. 

Whether we make the right decisions is of course debatable, but they have to be made.

Rugby League and the right decision don’t really go hand in hand. 

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1 minute ago, The Blues Ox said:

I don't get what you are saying. Are you against putting teams in SL as franchises or for letting teams like Halifax, who once had crowds of 2k but went on to get crowds of 6-8k, try and grow naturally and earn the right to play in SL?

I am saying Halifax have had decades to show what good years bring and what fallow years bring. Saying Newcastle have a ceiling because they are new is just a waste of time. That ceiling maybe 5k, it may be 10k - what they have is potential as many new clubs like Whitehaven and Sheffield once had. People were probably saying the same about Catalans 15 years ago. Now they have more members than all but 3-4 clubs in the UK system. 

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1 minute ago, The Blues Ox said:

I totally agree with what you said as long as contest for these spots in the future means by promotion and relegation on the field.

Like for me I can never see London as a SL team but they deserved a chance because they earnt it on the field. Now if we were just to stick them in SL just because of their location then I only see this as a bad thing for the longterm future of the game.

London could be a SL team but mismanagement has prevented that. How can a club put down routes if they constantly move? The owners have never made a serious effort to grow the game in the city. The lack of community clubs also prevents growth.

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6 hours ago, Ooh Ah Timmy Street said:

One of the suggestions(according to John Davidson), is that the bottom four of league 1 will get culled this season .  
 

for arguments sake, let’s say that is Coventry , West Wales , North Wales and London Skolars. That’s a number of player pathways just wiped from the game .  

Clubs who are adding to the sport, and don't appear to be taking away much.

 

York and Bradford were bust a handful of years ago, good job they didn't cull them then.

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3 minutes ago, Scubby said:

I am saying Halifax have had decades to show what good years bring and what fallow years bring. Saying Newcastle have a ceiling because they are new is just a waste of time. That ceiling maybe 5k, it may be 10k - what they have is potential as many new clubs like Whitehaven and Sheffield once had. People were probably saying the same about Catalans 15 years ago. Now they have more members than all but 3-4 clubs in the UK system. 

You are right we don't know what their ceiling is but does dumping them in SL and having them get beat every week help to find out what it is? 

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19 minutes ago, POR said:

Now the dust has settled lets not forget this gem

Subjects covered included  new competitions to help grow the game commercially. 😁

Some kind of global tournament for teams representing nations?

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23 hours ago, Hela Wigmen said:

Which is why replacing loop fixtures with four fixtures against some sub standard Championship dross in a fourteen team competition is short sighted and daft. Build value in Super League through scarcity in league fixtures and leave gaps in the calendar to play internationals throughout the year to build that side of the game with tests with northern hemisphere nations and Combined Nations. 

Diminishing returns, when 12 teams aren't strong enough go to 10 and so on.

No business increases by reducing its numbers. We cannot develop players or keep youth in the game if they have fewer opportunities.

14 is absolutely the right decision, the only reason it's 12 is you get 1/12 of the money rather than 1/14th. The problem is you can have a bigger slice of a smaller pie, it's still less overall 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, David Dockhouse Host said:

Diminishing returns, when 12 teams aren't strong enough go to 19 and so on.

No business increases by reducing its numbers. We cannot develop players or keep youth in the game if they have fewer opportunities.

14 is absolutely the right decision, the only reason it's 12 is you get 1/12 of the money rather than 1/14th. The problem is you can have a bigger slice of a smaller pie, it's still less overall 

 

 

 

Thats the problem, some of the current SL clubs are so badly managed that they are living so hand to mouth that even a small drop could send them over the edge which is why its really unlikely that they ever go to 14 teams. 

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20 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Bring back the Regal Trophy. 

I quite liked the Regal Trophy.   And the County Cups.   There was always something to look forward to once you got knocked out of a competition.  Another one was just around the corner.

Different days though.   You can't imagine fitting in all those midweek games these days.

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9 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Some kind of global tournament for teams representing nations?

Ooh, a "cup" with teams from all round the "world" competing....now to think of a name for it.

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1 minute ago, dkw said:

Ooh, a "cup" with teams from all round the "world" competing....now to think of a name for it.

How about The World-Except-Australia-and-New-Zealand Cup ?

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On a different tack. They may be discussing something I think should happen , reducing the number of Australasian players put up by their agents to SL clubs as they cannot get a place in their so called super competition, and hoping to dump them on us. at a salary much more than some of our GB lads are on. Now that Sky have reduced our pot we should be reducing their numbers and look to the Championship for ready made replacements for players retiring or past it.at a sustainable salary. 

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1 hour ago, Eddie said:

Right on cue https://www.superleague.co.uk/article/2152/statement-|-focused-on-the-future?fbclid=IwAR2VAAn60sEBoZ8EjVBkWfGIMSdFpDw86Wlmmf-S_PL9_mu3vsEUbaCmvL4

a predictably bland statement, with Rimmer’s comment being the most pointless aspect of it. 

I bet the sarnies got sorted out in the buffet break its about the only thing some of this lot could do.

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1 minute ago, The Blues Ox said:

Thats the problem, some of the current SL clubs are so badly managed that they are living so hand to mouth that even a small drop could send them over the edge which is why its really unlikely that they ever go to 14 teams. 

Easy to sit back and criticise every suggestion but what should we do?  Sit back and do nothing in hope that it all comes good?

The state of the UK game, imo, is at a critical point where it appears rudderless with little direction from above.  Serious decisions have to be made by club owners around growing the community game,  genuine development of youth infrastructures as well as improving crowds through game day experience.  

I have an idea that some clubs self interests will conquer any collective strategy objectives though.  I really do hope I am wrong.

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15 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Thats the problem, some of the current SL clubs are so badly managed that they are living so hand to mouth that even a small drop could send them over the edge which is why its really unlikely that they ever go to 14 teams. 

I understand clubs will never vote to have a smaller slice but the decision should be based on what's best for the overall health of the game.

If we wait until every club is in a position of wealth we will never change anything 

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17 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Thats the problem, some of the current SL clubs are so badly managed that they are living so hand to mouth that even a small drop could send them over the edge which is why its really unlikely that they ever go to 14 teams. 

Just for the avoidance of doubt (as this gets said quite a lot in throw away comments), which clubs are you referring to as being 'so badly managed?

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11 minutes ago, haskey said:

On a different tack. They may be discussing something I think should happen , reducing the number of Australasian players put up by their agents to SL clubs as they cannot get a place in their so called super competition, and hoping to dump them on us. at a salary much more than some of our GB lads are on. Now that Sky have reduced our pot we should be reducing their numbers and look to the Championship for ready made replacements for players retiring or past it.at a sustainable salary. 

That's ideally a solution to increasing your playing squad but I'm not sure it's that easy. Some players earn more working and playing championship than some SL clubs would be willing to pay, and they lose a job which they will need after life in rugby 

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