Why do we need to postpone games due to covid ?

[GUBRATS]

Can somebody explain why we are postponing games due to the players testing positive for the virus ?

 

[GUBRATS]

30 minutes , 45 views , but not a single reply 

So why are we postponing games ?

[Mr Plow]

47 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Can somebody explain why we are postponing games due to the players testing positive for the virus ?

 

Because if you had a positive test you still need to isolate to stop the virus spreading. 
 

Come the 16th August if you’ve had 2 jabs you don’t need to isolate if you test positive. Whether things will change for pro sports players idk

[John Drake]

Latest rules and guidance here:

https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus

[Derwent]

I think the point Gubby is making is that when clubs have some players testing positive the rest of the squad don’t go into self isolation so could still play. 

[GUBRATS]

The point I'm making is since they will , or should be all vaccinated now , just how badly is it affecting the players who catch it ? , Vaccination does not prevent anybody spreading or catching it , but does essentially massively reduce the effect it has on the person ' jabbed ' , so let's use the Hull FC players this weekend as an example , just how ill are they ? , Do they have any symptoms ? , Have any pro RL players been hospitalised due to it ? 

Just how long do we go with this ?

[whatmichaelsays]

4 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

The point I'm making is since they will , or should be all vaccinated now

Under 30s, which covers most of the players, only because eligible for the vaccination in June, so they won't be fully vaccinated until September (assuming a 12 week gap). 

[GUBRATS]

14 minutes ago, whatmichaelsays said:

Under 30s, which covers most of the players, only because eligible for the vaccination in June, so they won't be fully vaccinated until September (assuming a 12 week gap). 

I'd be very surprised if they hadn't obtained vaccinations a long time earlier than that 

[Toby Chopra]

1 hour ago, Mr Plow said:

Because if you had a positive test you still need to isolate to stop the virus spreading. 
 

Come the 16th August if you’ve had 2 jabs you don’t need to isolate if you test positive. Whether things will change for pro sports players idk

This isn't correct. If at any point you test positive, you must isolate, jab or not. 

 

42 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

The point I'm making is since they will , or should be all vaccinated now , just how badly is it affecting the players who catch it ? , Vaccination does not prevent anybody spreading or catching it , but does essentially massively reduce the effect it has on the person ' jabbed ' , so let's use the Hull FC players this weekend as an example , just how ill are they ? , Do they have any symptoms ? , Have any pro RL players been hospitalised due to it ? 

Just how long do we go with this ?

Well, without getting into the politics of it, it's the law. 

If you test positive, you have to isolate, and until Aug 16, close contacts have to too. 

So we don't really have a choice, regardless of whether or not you think covid is harmful to a 20-something year old player. 

Also, even after Aug 16, many players won't be fully vaxxed cos of their age, so I expect there to be disruption to the end of the year. 

Not sure what else you think we can do. 

 

[whatmichaelsays]

3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

I'd be very surprised if they hadn't obtained vaccinations a long time earlier than that 

There's not really a way to "jump the queue" on that though. You can't get the vaccinations privately and even the Premier League has had to deal with the fact that many of its players can't get vaccinations until they're called up by the NHS. 

[M j M]

Moreover has there been an adequate time for players to get vaccinated? Given there are side effects, it can effectively wipe out a couple of days training so are clubs and players waiting until the close season to get it done?

[GUBRATS]

1 minute ago, whatmichaelsays said:

There's not really a way to "jump the queue" on that though. You can't get the vaccinations privately and even the Premier League has had to deal with the fact that many of its players can't get vaccinations until they're called up by the NHS. 

Do you genuinely believe that the various athletes out in Japan haven't all been vaccinated ? 

[M j M]

We also know that several players have had very severe side effects which have kept them from playing for weeks if not months so there is no way we should be relaxing the protocols at this point, even if it were legal.

[Whippet13]

27 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

The point I'm making is since they will , or should be all vaccinated now , just how badly is it affecting the players who catch it ? , Vaccination does not prevent anybody spreading or catching it , but does essentially massively reduce the effect it has on the person ' jabbed ' , so let's use the Hull FC players this weekend as an example , just how ill are they ? , Do they have any symptoms ? , Have any pro RL players been hospitalised due to it ? 

Just how long do we go with this ?

Until 16th August. The govt have given/loaned us £30m for Covid and between £25-30m for the world cup, so we are very closely following the rules. Should be no more postponements after the 16th.

[whatmichaelsays]

4 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Do you genuinely believe that the various athletes out in Japan haven't all been vaccinated ? 

Yes. Athletes who haven't been eligible for the vaccine won't have been vaccinated before going to Tokyo and will therefore be subject to whatever testing measures are in place there. 

As far as the UK is concerned, there isn't a mechanism to get the vaccine privately and there's no scope for professional athletes to "jump the queue". If the Premier League (which is enforcing a rule that players must be double-jabbed from October) is dealing with unvaccinated players because they were only contacted by the NHS in June, what makes you think RL found a solution that they didn't. 

[GUBRATS]

Just out of interest , is there any information on how badly players have been affected , have any been hospitalised for example ?

[GUBRATS]

2 minutes ago, whatmichaelsays said:

Yes. Athletes who haven't been eligible for the vaccine won't have been vaccinated before going to Tokyo and will therefore be subject to whatever testing measures are in place there. 

As far as the UK is concerned, there isn't a mechanism to get the vaccine privately and there's no scope for professional athletes to "jump the queue". If the Premier League is dealing with unvaccinated players because they were only contacted by the NHS in June, what makes you think RL found a solution that they didn't. 

Fair enough , that's why I asked , seems strange that we seem to be having more problems than other sports 

[Toby Chopra]

Just now, GUBRATS said:

Fair enough , that's why I asked , seems strange that we seem to be having more problems than other sports 

County cricket's had a few cancellations this summer too, so it's not just us.

Basically unless you're rich enough as a sport to have serious bubbles and support, you were going to get caught this summer once things started opening up. 

Lower league football and union were lucky to be on their off season or they'd have been hit too. Will be interesting to see if League 1/2 soccer clubs have some issues over the first month or so of the season. 

But we're on the home straight now, fingers crossed. 

[gingerjon]

21 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

County cricket's had a few cancellations this summer too, so it's not just us.

Basically unless you're rich enough as a sport to have serious bubbles and support, you were going to get caught this summer once things started opening up. 

Lower league football and union were lucky to be on their off season or they'd have been hit too. Will be interesting to see if League 1/2 soccer clubs have some issues over the first month or so of the season. 

But we're on the home straight now, fingers crossed. 

There’s literally been a county game postponed today and the coaches of one of The Hundred clubs had to isolate and so missed games.

A lot of non league matches, especially in pre season, have been postponed.

[Tommygilf]

Are lower League football and union testing regularly like Super League are? 

The testing seems to be a bone of contention for some players. Given the virtually total relaxation of rules in the rest of society, is it possible that the current testing regime a bit outdated now that the country is moving towards a vaccination and live with it policy?

[Toby Chopra]

5 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Are lower League football and union testing regularly like Super League are? 

The testing seems to be a bone of contention for some players. Given the virtually total relaxation of rules in the rest of society, is it possible that the current testing regime a bit outdated now that the country is moving towards a vaccination and live with it policy?

Now that's an interesting and valid question. 

[Route66]

1 hour ago, whatmichaelsays said:

There's not really a way to "jump the queue" on that though. You can't get the vaccinations privately and even the Premier League has had to deal with the fact that many of its players can't get vaccinations until they're called up by the NHS. 

Cant speak for the rest of the country but in west Cumbria anyone who has wanted one has been able to get them. My 18 year old had the second jab a fortnight ago

[Padge]

2 minutes ago, Route66 said:

Cant speak for the rest of the country but in west Cumbria anyone who has wanted one has been able to get them. My 18 year old had the second jab a fortnight ago

Depends on the policy in the area, some areas have ran a policy if vaccines are getting towards end of storage life and must be used they have done a first come first served so as not to waste the vaccine, once you have had your dirst you are then given the date for your second.

Rate of uptake in each group has also been different in different regions, if there is a high early uptake in a group then some places have called in the next group early.

[Davo5]

1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

Just out of interest , is there any information on how badly players have been affected , have any been hospitalised for example ?

No but there is evidence that a lot of young fit & healthy people are suffering long Covid problems including my own rugby playing son & a couple of his teammates.