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2 hours ago, Cheshire Setter said:

I attended my first game for two years yesterday. It was the final home game of a good season for Warrington, and an important send-off for a lot of our long-serving players, coaches and backroom staff. There were only 7000 there. I remember only 10 years ago us getting 7000 for a televised cup game against lower league opposition.

I hope you're right about 55k, but I just get the feeling there's going to be a bit of apathy from neutrals over attending the final. COVID seems to have created a 'meh' attitude over getting out and doing things in the real world unless it's really necessary. I don't think it's anything to do with fear of catching a virus, I think it's just that we've become used to staying indoors in a bubble and living life through the TV or internet.

Anyway, as I say, I hope I'm wrong and you're right and the current attendances are not a predictor of the grand final.

The crowd was really poor yesterday, but so was the event. I don't often criticise Wire for their organisation, but it was a very low-key event. 

I took my daughter for her first ever game (partly because I knew it would be a low crowd), and after I asked her whether she enjoyed it, she said yes, but was sad there was no singing, dancers or wolfie. I'd shown her the 'behind the scenes' videos on YouTube when asking her if she wanted to come. 

It was a lesson in going through the motions, by the club, players and coaches, and they get the crowd they deserve. 

I know Saturday afternoon isn't a great day for RL, but it could easily be turned into a positive family day as so few games or on during the afternoon nowadays. 

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2 hours ago, Dave T said:

I know Saturday afternoon isn't a great day for RL, but it could easily be turned into a positive family day as so few games or on during the afternoon nowadays. 

Yes, I was a bit surprised by the lack of an entertainment package. I'd assumed the club were minimising costs whilst gates remain low. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I do remember how great the atmosphere was in the mid-2000s when the on-field product from the top clubs like Bradford was all about champagne rugby and flair. Also summer afternoons, with lots of novelty stuff pre-match such as barbecues and beer tents and bands. In the 2010s we seemed to move away from that, at the same time losing the on-field novelty of throwing the ball about.

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4 hours ago, Dave T said:

The crowd was really poor yesterday, but so was the event. I don't often criticise Wire for their organisation, but it was a very low-key event. 

I took my daughter for her first ever game (partly because I knew it would be a low crowd), and after I asked her whether she enjoyed it, she said yes, but was sad there was no singing, dancers or wolfie. I'd shown her the 'behind the scenes' videos on YouTube when asking her if she wanted to come. 

It was a lesson in going through the motions, by the club, players and coaches, and they get the crowd they deserve. 

I know Saturday afternoon isn't a great day for RL, but it could easily be turned into a positive family day as so few games or on during the afternoon nowadays. 

If you break down the crowd against saints 10k, and deduct a reasonable estimate of saints fans the crowd wouldn't be that much different from Salfords game, I agree with you a club going through the motions of getting this season done and hoping for a fresh start next season. 

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7 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

If you break down the crowd against saints 10k, and deduct a reasonable estimate of saints fans the crowd wouldn't be that much different from Salfords game, I agree with you a club going through the motions of getting this season done and hoping for a fresh start next season. 

The South Stand was very empty yesterday, although there were more in the seats using the family tickets, so maybe it was just a bit of a shift around the ground. I expected around 6k to be announced tbh. 

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2 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

It will be interesting to see how the play offs hold up (Usually very poor) anyway regardless lets all rally round the cause:)

 

Paul

I expect they will be broadly in line with other years (rubbish as you say!). 

I think something I've struggled with is not knowing the format, dates, match days, and tbh until recently even followed that it was a 6 team playoff.

I know it is as it was from the start, but this whole win % thing makes following the table a bit difficult, so I don't bother. 

And then with the call offs and random scheduling it's hard to know what round we are even in. So I don't bother and just nip onto rugbyleagueontv.com to see what's on Sky, and Wire's site to see who we are playing. 

It means there is no real narrative to the season for me. And I say this as somebody who has enjoyed the rugby when it's been on, and have finally started to get back to the HJ, but it's been a bit of a challenge. 

Hopefully we will get a few crackers in the playoffs and a great Grand Final and finish the season on a high. 

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5 hours ago, Dave T said:

The crowd was really poor yesterday, but so was the event. I don't often criticise Wire for their organisation, but it was a very low-key event. 

I took my daughter for her first ever game (partly because I knew it would be a low crowd), and after I asked her whether she enjoyed it, she said yes, but was sad there was no singing, dancers or wolfie. I'd shown her the 'behind the scenes' videos on YouTube when asking her if she wanted to come. 

It was a lesson in going through the motions, by the club, players and coaches, and they get the crowd they deserve. 

I know Saturday afternoon isn't a great day for RL, but it could easily be turned into a positive family day as so few games or on during the afternoon nowadays. 

In Karl Fitzpatrick and Kris Radlinski you probably get what you pay for.

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59 minutes ago, Dave T said:

The South Stand was very empty yesterday, although there were more in the seats using the family tickets, so maybe it was just a bit of a shift around the ground. I expected around 6k to be announced tbh. 

The thing is that the finishes SL are producing are astonishing in lots of games. So if the clubs put some effort they could certainly increase crowds. 

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8 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

The thing is that the finishes SL are producing are astonishing in lots of games. So if the clubs put some effort they could certainly increase crowds. 

It's a silly minor point, but I'd been ill all week and so only decided at 7pm on Friday that I could attend. So I went online to buy tickets, and they had been removed. No trace of them, no idea how to buy them. 

So I spent ages on Saturday morning trying to call them, no answer on most lines. Finally got through (the lady was very helpful - notifying me they had held the pre-purchase prices). 

We then went to the game, spending £76 on tickets, £13 on a flourescent llama Teddy, plus a further £20 on refreshments, which wo ld have been more had the queues not been huge (for a small crowd) and one of them not taking cards. So we spent over a hundred quid, but it was quite difficult to do. Far more difficult than going to the cinema, or soft play, or bowling etc. 

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4 hours ago, Cheshire Setter said:

Yes, I was a bit surprised by the lack of an entertainment package. I'd assumed the club were minimising costs whilst gates remain low. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I do remember how great the atmosphere was in the mid-2000s when the on-field product from the top clubs like Bradford was all about champagne rugby and flair. Also summer afternoons, with lots of novelty stuff pre-match such as barbecues and beer tents and bands. In the 2010s we seemed to move away from that, at the same time losing the on-field novelty of throwing the ball about.

Happy to stand corrected, but much of the razzmatazz is still not allowed. That said, there’s still some stuff can continue. 

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On 10/09/2021 at 20:29, Tommygilf said:

I must admit, Shed 7 and James were a bit "retro"...

Even Blossoms, who are a good band, aren't really a "sport stadium band".

Shed 7 and James who have both released new music over recent years with the latter’s latest album issued in June so I would question them being retro. Their gigs attract a wide age range

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On 10/09/2021 at 22:57, The Frying Scotsman said:

At least I'll be at the game. Which is a lot more than can be said for you. 

 

 

You jetting in for the game as it was only recently you stated you couldn’t watch Sky due to not living in the UK? If you are just popping over for the game then good on you 

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17 minutes ago, LeeF said:

Shed 7 and James who have both released new music over recent years with the latter’s latest album issued in June so I would question them being retro. Their gigs attract a wide age range

I watched both of these at the Neighbourhood Weekendee festival in Warrington last weekend. James were the Saturday night headliner and had a huge audience following them. James were a great choice for the Grand Final, they started this recent indie trend for SL. Unfortunately, the bands after that were all lesser acts, certainly in terms of demand and what kind of anthems they have. 

The likes of Feeder, Shed 7 and the Charlatans are Al good in their own right and I've seen them all, but not really mainstream enough to be a big draw themselves. 

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32 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I watched both of these at the Neighbourhood Weekendee festival in Warrington last weekend. James were the Saturday night headliner and had a huge audience following them. James were a great choice for the Grand Final, they started this recent indie trend for SL. Unfortunately, the bands after that were all lesser acts, certainly in terms of demand and what kind of anthems they have. 

The likes of Feeder, Shed 7 and the Charlatans are Al good in their own right and I've seen them all, but not really mainstream enough to be a big draw themselves. 

In order of popularity I’d say the charlatans are miles ahead of James or shed 7, with shed 7 slightly ahead of James. 

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4 minutes ago, Eddie said:

In order of popularity I’d say the charlatans are miles ahead of James or shed 7, with shed 7 slightly ahead of James. 

Just the other day James were headline with Shed 7 one of the supporting acts. Charlatans played in a similar support role in 2019 there. 

I know it's all subjective, but the organisers know what they are doing, and Shed 7 and Charlatans would be nowhere near headlining this festival. 

I know we are off topic somewhat, but it is loosely linked to the GF 😁

Edit: I always do a quick Spotify check:

James - 2.4m monthly listeners

Charlatans - 0.5m monthly listeners

Shed 7 - 0.3m monthly listeners

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8 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Just the other day James were headline with Shed 7 one of the supporting acts. Charlatans played in a similar support role in 2019 there. 

I know it's all subjective, but the organisers know what they are doing, and Shed 7 and Charlatans would be nowhere near headlining this festival. 

I know we are off topic somewhat, but it is loosely linked to the GF 😁

Edit: I always do a quick Spotify check:

James - 2.4m monthly listeners

Charlatans - 0.5m monthly listeners

Shed 7 - 0.3m monthly listeners

what about the brotherhood of man?

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did the bloke who invented the phrase "one hit wonder" invent anything else?

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23 minutes ago, The Frying Scotsman said:

My first Rugby League game (as a spectator) was in 2001. Back when the Super League was high quality.

I don't know why I'm even bothering to engage the likes of you tbh. 

Let me guess, you can't remember who you watched play but you can remember the pre-match band....

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