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1 hour ago, Sports Prophet said:

I wouldn’t even have the likes of HHH or the other two clubs full of players on a two year visa. 

Are you talking about Wests Warriors?

On a different note, the new team down in Brighton seems quite proactive. Are they any chance of joining this league in the coming years? And if not, what are their other options if they want to play regular matches some competition?

https://www.facebook.com/BrightonHoveRL/ 

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10 minutes ago, langpark said:

Are you talking about Wests Warriors?

On a different note, the new team down in Brighton seems quite proactive. Are they any chance of joining this league in the coming years? And if not, what are their other options if they want to play regular matches some competition?

https://www.facebook.com/BrightonHoveRL/ 

There's a London Premier League and a London Merit League below the Conference South so they can play in one of those competitions.

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Love the Southern Conference, glad to see that the West division is growing.

As someone who's only ever been involved in the sport at the community (and uni) level outside of the heartlands, it's great to have a competition for community clubs to aspire to. Not suggesting it's going to get to NCL levels any time soon, but both Wests and Chargers got through to the 2nd round of the Challenge Cup and new teams coming into the competition is promising. I know a lot is made as to whether expansion is worthwhile in the South, but a strong competitive pathway for community clubs is absolutely key to driving growth of the game, and having the SCL above the regional leagues is a key part of that.

It'd be great if the RFL put more into the branding of it - since it covers essentially the whole South of England and Wales, there definitely should be some promotion behind it. The Grand Final is normally done well, think it was streamed on Twitch this year and live-tweeted etc, but during the regular season, the league tables they post on twitter look like they were done in Microsoft Word as an example. Get a new logo for it, a branded website, perhaps a consistent set of graphics for social. Professionalise the competition look and feel.

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19 hours ago, Saint 1 said:

Depends what the purpose is - if it's to be competitive at League 1 level or have paying fans in Coventry/Birmingham watching RL then it's not been disastrous. If it's to develop their own players it's hard to see it as a success - there's twice as many players coming from Northumbria and Hull as the entire Midlands in their team today, and only 2 of their 4 Midlands players were actually developed by them. 

Aren't the Coventry Bears open age team playing in a Midlands merit league? 

Is the Midlands League going to be a merit league again or was that just a temporary decision because of Coronavirus? It’s not great that there are only three Midlands clubs playing in fixtured leagues. It’s the fewest we’ve had since the early to mid 1980s. 

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16 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:

Jesus if I hear any more suggestions about a league 1 South (or similar) I might just scream 🙀😵

To be honest, if you put just one poster on ignore, you'd never hear of it again.

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17 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

The problem with a promotion and relegation pyramid is that it doesn’t allow the RFL to build some solid pathway foundations. 

I don’t think Skolars belong in League 1 and I’ve believed that for a long time. Nor do I think Coventry/Midland really belong there, or WWR.

If there was a Premier Southern Conference that the RFL could identify 8-10 clubs reasonably spread geographically like Bedford, Rhinos, Stags, Skolars, Cardiff, Midlands, one south west and one south of the river, ensure there is no promo/relegation, this could be promoted as the elite league for midlands, Wales and the south where all development funding was spent.

You would also remove the upstart individuals like Kent Ravens many years ago, frivolously starting a club to feed their own personal ego and wasting everyone’s energy. I wouldn’t even have the likes of HHH or the other two clubs full of players on a two year visa. You may even encourage a few of those visa holders to join one of the other clubs and help improve the talent in those clubs by giving them strong experienced player to play alongside.

Tantamount to killing clubs off purely  based on geography and not much else. We may as well just have a Yorkshire League and a Lancashire League in that case, tell Catalans and Toulouse, thanks but no thanks and get back to how it was in the 60’s and 70’s. 

I’d argue that Skolars, Midlands, North Wales and a well managed South Walian club are of more value to the game than plenty of the clubs who have been around for 100+ years and that these clubs especially should be receiving a far higher share of central distribution than some of those clubs who’ve been around since day one. Rugby League needs a bigger footprint and these clubs are providing exactly that on less than a shoestring budget now The RFL have cut the monies distributed. The community works at Coventry/Midlands is hugely impressive, it’s far more than what goes on at many clubs who have an established amateur base around them and they do it off their own back with very little help from the sport’s governing bodies, in a non-Rugby League area.

The biggest issue is the make-up of leagues. It looked as though there was something resembling a plan ten or so years ago with League One a wonderful list of clubs from across England and Wales (Skolars, Hemel, Oxford, Coventry, All Golds, South Wales, North Wales and Gateshead to name them) with the challenges of facing a smaller amount of established, northern clubs and that it was going to be the first rung of the ladder for these clubs, a space where they could play many clubs in a similar space to them, grow on and off the pitch and still have the possibility, however long term, of promotion to the second tier.

Except it wasn’t that and those new clubs were thrown in without any aide and that “plan” lasted all of about three years before that was abandoned and clubs were up against it heavily playing established clubs, some of whom were and continue to float between the Championship and League One, I don’t see any real value in that for anyone involved and scorelines of hammerings isn’t ideal. 

League One, for me, should be the base for clubs from outside of Yorkshire, Lancashire and Cumbria but in the current climate, I can’t see many clubs wanting to join League One and clubs in the game unwilling to have their central funding cut further. Shunting clubs off based on geography would be embarrassing and unwarranted hugely when we have “established” clubs who would fail to meet the criteria to join the NCL, so I don’t know why they need saving but clubs fighting the good fight in non-Rugby League areas are the lepers here. 

If it wasn’t for Rugby League’s presence in Wales, we’d have no Regan Grace, Elliot Kear, Lloyd White or Gil Dudson about to lace up their boots in Super League, a number of the Broncos academy graduates wouldn’t have picked a ball up in anger at Skolars or Hemel, Joe Batchelor probably wouldn’t be polishing a Grand Final ring and about to wear a starting jumper for Saints, Geordie Sam Luckey wouldn’t have been in the media prior to Magic Weekend and Matt Davis wouldn’t be a Challenge Cup winner playing alongside George Williams and Gareth Widdop at Warrington. The sport is richer for these players and these stories and it’s vital that we support them in whatever way we can. Shunting them off to the Southern Conference isn’t the way to go about it. 

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I think the success of the SCL is underpinned by the local leagues underneath. The local leagues in London, Wales, West of England etc need to expand and become stronger as these will feed players into the SCL and give a bigger geographical spread for RL. I'd like to see a growing and strengthening SCL as well as the local leagues underneath adding more clubs each year

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On 29/01/2022 at 09:36, bowes said:

That was a completely different competition. You need to add in the different regional leagues that now exist for it to be a fair comparison. 
 

I would say Conference League South is comparable to the Premier Division of the old Rugby League Conference rather than the whole thing. 

Maybe so but at the time it was a good competition which saw signifcant growth. 

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On 31/01/2022 at 10:33, Jughead said:

Tantamount to killing clubs off purely  based on geography and not much else. We may as well just have a Yorkshire League and a Lancashire League in that case, tell Catalans and Toulouse, thanks but no thanks and get back to how it was in the 60’s and 70’s. 

I’d argue that Skolars, Midlands, North Wales and a well managed South Walian club are of more value to the game than plenty of the clubs who have been around for 100+ years

Some clubs that have "been around for 100 years" may be not doing too great like Oldham and Rochdale, but over the years these clubs have been part of building something more than just a couple of badly struggling semi professional clubs.

Both towns have top class amateur clubs like Mayfield and St.Annes clubs playing at the highest level, and both have a relatively large infrastructure of Rugby League being played extensively in schools, and junior level. These structures create talent like Sculthorpe and the Sinfields

I don't see how clubs in London and south wales are "more value to the game" than clubs in Oldham and Rochdale?? 

Whatever monies have been going to League one clubs recently do amount to a serious amount of money, and one has to ask oneself what was the return on all that SKY money? would that money, that comes to a very large sum, have been far better spent on the amateur and junior game in places that maybe could have provided a much greater return than what some of the fledgling midlands, welsh and southern clubs have provided? 

I think people want Rugby League to be as strong as it can given the financial constraints, and it's clear that a far better return is always going to be found in the heartlands. It's not a matter of anti-expansion, it's a matter of survival.

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59 minutes ago, steve oates said:

Some clubs that have "been around for 100 years" may be not doing too great like Oldham and Rochdale, but over the years these clubs have been part of building something more than just a couple of badly struggling semi professional clubs.

Both towns have top class amateur clubs like Mayfield and St.Annes clubs playing at the highest level, and both have a relatively large infrastructure of Rugby League being played extensively in schools, and junior level. These structures create talent like Sculthorpe and the Sinfields

I don't see how clubs in London and south wales are "more value to the game" than clubs in Oldham and Rochdale?? 

Whatever monies have been going to League one clubs recently do amount to a serious amount of money, and one has to ask oneself what was the return on all that SKY money? would that money, that comes to a very large sum, have been far better spent on the amateur and junior game in places that maybe could have provided a much greater return than what some of the fledgling midlands, welsh and southern clubs have provided? 

I think people want Rugby League to be as strong as it can given the financial constraints, and it's clear that a far better return is always going to be found in the heartlands. It's not a matter of anti-expansion, it's a matter of survival.

Do those amateur clubs exist because of Rochdale and Oldham (you chose these clubs, I didn’t, by the way)? Does the school RL exist because of Rochdale and Oldham?

Arguably, spreading the game in the Midlands, London, North East and Wales, through the funding that’s given to the clubs from those regions is of a greater overall benefit to the game than continuing to give money to clubs who offer little. Rochdale Hornets have not had any news on their website regarding their “Sporting Foundation” for three months and Oldham don’t appear to have any sort of foundation, according to their website. Is that value for money in relatively Rugby League dense areas? London Skolars, situated in one of the poorest areas of London, completing community work in that area, keeping kids off the streets, exposing kids to rugby league, some of those progressing to Skolars’ first team (as you can see from their cup game) and others progressing on to London Broncos’ academy is a better return than handing over thousands a year to northern clubs who don’t even appear to have a foundation or any sort of community work. 

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3 hours ago, steve oates said:

Some clubs that have "been around for 100 years" may be not doing too great like Oldham and Rochdale, but over the years these clubs have been part of building something more than just a couple of badly struggling semi professional clubs.

Both towns have top class amateur clubs like Mayfield and St.Annes clubs playing at the highest level, and both have a relatively large infrastructure of Rugby League being played extensively in schools, and junior level. These structures create talent like Sculthorpe and the Sinfields

I don't see how clubs in London and south wales are "more value to the game" than clubs in Oldham and Rochdale?? 

Whatever monies have been going to League one clubs recently do amount to a serious amount of money, and one has to ask oneself what was the return on all that SKY money? would that money, that comes to a very large sum, have been far better spent on the amateur and junior game in places that maybe could have provided a much greater return than what some of the fledgling midlands, welsh and southern clubs have provided? 

I think people want Rugby League to be as strong as it can given the financial constraints, and it's clear that a far better return is always going to be found in the heartlands. It's not a matter of anti-expansion, it's a matter of survival.

No it would have been better spent on building Welsh RL a stadium that it owned so it could generate revenue and having an annual NH International tournament. Oldham, Rochdale not even London can play England regularly to an audience of over a million and that´s what is being left on the table every time we ignore growing a viable international rl comp. 

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Based on the present figures, it will take Skolars, WWR and Hurricanes over 12 years to waste the equivalent sum to the fee paid for an introduction to a private equity company which promptly went bust. Perhaps some people should look closer to home when pointing the finger 

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