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Sat 12th Nov: RLWC SF: England v Samoa KO 14:30


Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • England by 13 points or more
      62
    • England by 7 to 12 points
      47
    • England by 1 to 6 points
      11
    • Samoa by 1 to 6 points
      5
    • Samoa by 7 to 12 points
      2
    • Samoa by 13 points or more
      3

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2 minutes ago, 7723 said:

Radley was easily one of our best.

He was better in the 2nd half but persisted with useless tip ons when we needed straight running and they got their reward when Crichton read the script.

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I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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Hope Samoa win the final! Will be tough, and they’ll need a lot of luck but would be awesome. 
 

tbh I thought both teams played near their best. I just think they’re very evenly matched sides, with Samoa a bit better in the forwards. This was a side that had a player in the bin and lost their only hooker 15 minutes in as well. 
 

england rl need to stop blaming refs, lack of internationals, and Australian arrogance and start looking at themselves if they want to get themselves out of this hole. I hope they do because rugby league is worse off without a strong super league and a strong England. 

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2 minutes ago, Roy Haggerty said:

Makinson, Whitehead, Bateman, Farnworth, Radley, all played to their potential. Hard to say with McMeeken because of the lack of minutes. Young, Welsby, Williams, Watkins, McIlorum well below standard. The rest were so-so. 

There's a generation of England players who won't be there in 2025, and the worry is who do we have as replacements.

I’m not sure how you can include Young and Williams in the below standard group, Young made one mistake that didn’t cost us and Williams was the only creative half on the field.

McIlorum was poor and Welsby played like he’d bet his house on Samoa to win

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1 minute ago, DavidM said:

We were average and lost in golden point and we gave them an interception. We missed opportunities . They were good but weren’t that great tbh , that’s what makes it all worse . It was there but we totally bombed it 

Indeed, Samoa were gifted every try really and all came from bad England mistakes, either directly or shortly before.

Too many players lost their heads completely, particularly the playmakers who needed to compose things and play the percentages. Welsby, Tomkins and Williams seemed to be having a personal battle as to who could set up the most tries from kicks, no matter the tackle count, instead of just building pressure.

That Samoan team will tire easily, England barely kept the ball to do that and we played right into their hands.

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2 minutes ago, The Masked Poster said:

Yes, this is why it's such a disaster. Not simply because England lost, but the consequences that will follow. 

Its a result almost as poor for Northern Hemisphere RL as the drubbings many NH sides have taken this world cup during the group stages. 

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Just now, OMEGA said:

I’m not sure how you can include Young and Williams in the below standard group, Young made one mistake that didn’t cost us and Williams was the only creative half on the field.

McIlorum was poor and Welsby played like he’d bet his house on Samoa to win

Yep, agreed. Williams was very good! Set up two tries didn’t he? 

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Disappointing result but it was a cracking contest on prime-time FTA television on a Saturday afternoon with plenty of watchers. Plenty of drama, great atmosphere and good entertainment served up. Samoa deserved the victory today and will be great for RL in that part of the world. 

 

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1 minute ago, Damien said:

Indeed, Samoa were gifted every try really and all came from bad England mistakes, either directly or shortly before.

Too many players lost their heads completely, particularly the playmakers who needed to compose things and play the percentages. Welsby, Tomkins and Williams seemed to be having a personal battle as to who could set up the most tries from kicks, no matter the tackle count, instead of just building pressure.

That Samoan team will tire easily, England barely kept the ball to do that and we played right into their hands.

Williams got tacked with the ball on the 4th too much so England without a halfback on 5th tackle plays. That’s poor

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1 minute ago, The Masked Poster said:

Yes, this is why it's such a disaster. Not simply because England lost, but the consequences that will follow. 

Right now you have in SH

  • Aus
  • NZ
  • PNG
  • Samoa
  • Tonga
  • Fiji

If your one of the above sides, why do you need to play England any more? RL is not a money earner in NH its a minority sport, so you not going to make much money coming to play NH teams, so why would you want to be bothered touring England any more.. This is not good at all for the Future of RL in the NH

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Just now, crashmon said:

Right now you have in SH

  • Aus
  • NZ
  • PNG
  • Samoa
  • Tonga
  • Fiji

If your one of the above sides, why do you need to play England any more? RL is not a money earner in NH its a minority sport, so you not going to make much money coming to play NH teams, so why would you want to be bothered touring England any more.. This is not good at all for the Future of RL in the NH

Precisely mate, it's  even more of a poor relation now. 

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Just now, crashmon said:

Right now you have in SH

  • Aus
  • NZ
  • PNG
  • Samoa
  • Tonga
  • Fiji

If your one of the above sides, why do you need to play England any more? RL is not a money earner in NH its a minority sport, so you not going to make much money coming to play NH teams, so why would you want to be bothered touring England any more.. This is not good at all for the Future of RL in the NH

Internationals in England make far more money in England than elsewhere and always have done.

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1 minute ago, Balmainboy said:

Yep, agreed. Williams was very good! Set up two tries didn’t he? 

Certainly did in the game I watched. One very poor pass early on, after which he took the line on time and again while Welsby hid as far away as possible.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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2 minutes ago, Damien said:

Internationals in England make far more money in England than elsewhere and always have done.

That factor has encouraged exactly 1 of those teams to come here (outside of the world cup) since the end of 2016. 

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12 minutes ago, Jughead said:

Massive result for international rugby league. The development of Tonga and Samoa in recent years has been superb and here’s the rewards. 

If that’s not a massive reason as to why we need the mid-season internationals in the Southern Hemisphere and why England need to actually play international rugby league, I don’t know what else is?

Defeat to a poor, tiny country less populous than Southampton is a "massive result" and the development of such countries is "superb" is it?  What planet do you live on?

Get real, having a team from such a no-account country get past the group stages let alone reach the final is only going to showcase how minuscule the game's footprint in the world is and there's nothing good about that.

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