Padge Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 16 hours ago, Tommygilf said: Never met an Edward, Harold or Carl I presume? Never been to a place with "ham" or "field" at the end of it's name? Indeed you can't have been many RL towns and cities, which I am surprised at. What you describe is very accurate to describe what happened to the Celts of (most of) England since 410 yes, but there is a reason the English of the 11th Century didn't become the Normans. I can see an argument that "English" culture is the fusion of an Anglo-Saxon populace with a Norman elite, to make it distinct from the form of that existed before 1066. So your Guillames and Robèrts become William and Bob The Norman conquest was barely more impactful on English society as the Danelaw or the North Sea Empire had been, or the Angevin Empire that followed it. A feudal society existed beforehand, just as one existed afterwards. 1066 is neat because there is a more linear path with what came afterwards and it serves as a nice bookend to segway into teaching History, but the changes are often overstated because of that. Every other society within the cultural reach of Medieval France and the Holy Roman Empire adopted some of its traits and traditions, there's no reason to think England under Harold Godwinson or Harald Hardrada takes a significantly different path in that respect. People go on about castles, churches, monasteries and the names of things like the Anglo-Saxon and Norse rulers of the previous 2 centuries hadn't done these things. The system of government in England was exceptionally sophisticated compared to others in Europe, all the Normans did was plonk their people in charge of the existing administration and (re)introduce Latin as the legal and administrative text. 1066 being revered as some sort of huge change is part of a long running misconception that before that we were in the Dark Ages and everything was bad. Nothing could be further from the truth. Likewise it is a focus of history almost entirely on the rulers of the land, which doesn't speak for society at large. Just one point, the Norman feudal system was completely different to the Anglo-Saxon one which they replaced quick sticks, they are not comparable systems of excersing power and distributing wealth. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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