IMG Grading Unveiled

[Tommygilf]

3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Essentially so minor , it wasn't even worth bothering with , and yet already we've seen people thinking of ways to cheat the system 

Of course they are, because its interesting to them to do so. 

It doesn't make a difference anyway because the 2021 Census figures are in and the council areas aren't changing from now.

[GUBRATS]

3 minutes ago, redjonn said:

mind you it is not an inconsequential percentage... i.e. 7.5%, which is not to be sneezed at...

Although I guess I'm bias as given our geographical footprint, history etc and that isn't going to change in the mid term I don't see how it drives clubs with regard to that metric.  As is often said on this thread the criteria may or can change over the course, so given that have it when its meaningful, i.e. if and if ever when we are looking to new geographical horizons. and their are multiple candidates.

Which is as I put earlier , it matters if you are starting from scratch with new clubs from new area's, but has no value with current ones , not forgetting the angst on here when a club in Manchester was refused admission due to other clubs in Manchester objecting ( unfairly IMO ) , in theory this grading would have gone in favour of that refusal 

[Tommygilf]

28 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Which is as I put earlier , it matters if you are starting from scratch with new clubs from new area's, but has no value with current ones , not forgetting the angst on here when a club in Manchester was refused admission due to other clubs in Manchester objecting ( unfairly IMO ) , in theory this grading would have gone in favour of that refusal 

Incidentally it wouldn't as they are in a different local council area, but I take your point.

[GUBRATS]

Nipping out for a beer , I'll give my final comment on the catchment grading process later , not time to compose it now 

[Spidey]

5 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Nipping out for a beer , I'll give my final comment on the catchment grading process later , not time to compose it now 

Adding beer into the consideration makes for an interesting response

[GUBRATS]

5 hours ago, Spidey said:

Adding beer into the consideration makes for an interesting response

I'm sure it does

[GUBRATS]

For me it is distasteful that clubs that were formed 140 years ago by pioneers who then a few years later took the massive risk of leaving the RFU to form our sport should potentially be punished due to their location , quite possibly by a system designed by people who have never even watched a game of RL 

Why should Wigan have their score reduced because of Leigh ? , It is obvious that Wigan draw more support from the total Wigan borough than Leigh , it should have no consequence 

I disagree with any grading system , but location should not and never be a part of any grading system whatsoever IMO 

[Harry Stottle]

17 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

For me its the only pure "outside influence" based category to the grading. Clubs can't control it as you say, but its there as an indicator that may perhaps tip 1 club into the A Grade

For doing nothing other than being advantageous of a geographical position?

[Tommygilf]

Just now, Harry Stottle said:

For doing nothing other than being advantageous of a geographical position?

No, for having unfettered access to a larger audience.

[sweaty craiq]

8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

No, for having unfettered access to a larger audience.

Any business knows that potential doesn’t pay bills just look at Leeds awful crowds as a % of catchment area. If we are to truly grow in new areas it must be on the tails of the premiership soccer clubs ie Newcastle Utd RLFC or Everton or City etc

This is why our becoming a part of sporting club Man U is less painful in 2024

Edited July 16, 2023 by sweaty craiq

[Harry Stottle]

45 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

No, for having unfettered access to a larger audience.

Not such a good answer Tommy.

[The Blues Ox]

47 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

No, for having unfettered access to a larger audience.

Maybe they should award points for % of that audience that attends games.

[Harry Stottle]

40 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

Any business knows that potential doesn’t pay bills just look at Leeds awful crowds as a % of catchment area. If we are to truly grow in new areas it must be on the tails of the premiership soccer clubs ie Newcastle Utd RLFC or Everton or City etc

This is why our becoming a part of sporting club Man U is less painful in 2024

Said it many times, the marketing depth at the Rhinos are the worst performers of SL (if not all the clubs) with the ratio of bodies per capita they get through the turnstiles.

Now that would be an interesting part of the 'catchment criteria' re % should IMG include that.

[Harry Stottle]

5 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Maybe they should award points for % of that audience that attends games.

Be me to it as I was writing.

[The Blues Ox]

18 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Be me to it as I was writing.

I think it would be a much better way to do things and a lot fairer, baring in mind that 99% of teams won't be relocating to a different area anytime soon they are stuck with what they have so it would be better to encourage them to engage with the community and get bums on seats. 

[Tommygilf]

34 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Maybe they should award points for % of that audience that attends games.

They are awarded points for attendance and stadium % filled. 

[Tommygilf]

1 hour ago, sweaty craiq said:

Any business knows that potential doesn’t pay bills just look at Leeds awful crowds as a % of catchment area. If we are to truly grow in new areas it must be on the tails of the premiership soccer clubs ie Newcastle Utd RLFC or Everton or City etc

This is why our becoming a part of sporting club Man U is less painful in 2024

Leeds crowds are awful yes, and still easily the best attended in the League.

Which proves the point.

[Tommygilf]

36 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Not such a good answer Tommy.

Its exactly the point Harry. Bigger targets are easier to hit.

[Damien]

19 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Which is as I put earlier , it matters if you are starting from scratch with new clubs from new area's, but has no value with current ones , not forgetting the angst on here when a club in Manchester was refused admission due to other clubs in Manchester objecting ( unfairly IMO ) , in theory this grading would have gone in favour of that refusal 

This criteria would have actually gone in favour of Manchester as under this criteria the Manchester City Council area has a population of 552k and there is no other team, so they would have got full marks for catchment.

[ATLANTISMAN]

I don't know what the panic is all about NOTHING is going to change or happen.

[sweaty craiq]

Anyway this is what my sport is all about 

[Exiled Wiganer]

My approach to this would be to ask ourselves how do we make the most of everyone’s potential. You can measure lots of things, but one measure I come back to is which teams have I seen at Wembley or winning the league in my 40 years (and taking a look at the relevant Wembley crowd), because that gives us a long list of potentially great RL clubs. With that list, I would ask myself what can be done to maximise ALL of their revenues/businesses. And that should be the test. For Fev, for Halifax, for Oldham, for Bradford, for London, the question should always be “how can we unleash the potential we know is there?” 

A survival of the current fittest entirely fails to take proper account of our game as a community game. Our communities are our greatest asset. You should always build on your strengths. 

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

1 hour ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

For Fev, for Halifax, for Oldham, for Bradford, for London, the question should always be “how can we unleash the potential we know is there?” 

A survival of the current fittest entirely fails to take proper account of our game as a community game. Our communities are our greatest asset. You should always build on your strengths. 

You are so right. Mike Ford has stated that at Oldham the number one priority is to get the youngsters of Oldham wanting to play for the town. To this end the club is looking to revitalise the youth town teams. At a recent open day we had 250 kids turn up to try out. Listen to to the latest 5 live rugby league podcast with Fordy as the guest. Very insightful.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g0j6sx

Edited July 16, 2023 by The Art of Hand and Foot

[gingerjon]

3 hours ago, sweaty craiq said:

Anyway this is what my sport is all about 

Covered by the Foundation criteria

[Harry Stottle]

5 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

I don't know what the panic is all about NOTHING is going to change or happen.

Exactly Paul, lots of people have been hoodwinked.