Dovster Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: They didn't, Toulouse did not score enough points to stay up, but the bigger question is will they be good enough to win the Championship final this season getting them into SL next, nah. Then will come the gradings for 2025, if SL are to retain only a 12 team league and IMG want Toulouse in who do you think will give way? Sorry Harry. My response was to a poster suggesting that if the IMG proposal had been in place last season, Leigh would not have been propmoted (as Toulouse would have more spreadsheet points). I was agreeing. Looking at this season so far, Toulouse will struggle to gain promotion (without some player investment). It's a tough call as to who would give way in 2025. I suppose its the bottom grade B In SuperLeague. There are quite a few clubs that need to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 21 hours ago, Chrispmartha said: If they’ve only just started the rebranding process propethen there will be nothing to show the public yet, thet will still be at the exploration and research phase I remember when having reputedly spent £10m and taking a very long time the Agency working for the Pharma giant came up with the 'unique' name Zeneca, a short time after the announcement whilst the War for the breakup of Yugoslavia was taking place, a reporter was giving his newscast in a remote mountain backdrop and there was a sign behind him pointing to a little village 'Zeneca', so much for exploration and research Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 4 minutes ago, Dovster said: It's a tough call as to who would give way in 2025. I suppose its the bottom grade B In SuperLeague. There are quite a few clubs that need to improve. So you are expecting Toulouse to get more points than the bottom placed 'B' rated SL club at that time Dovster? From what little we know about the gradings at the moment, and the SL incumbents seemingly being favoured to accrue more points, I should think as how Toulouse stand at present there will have to be some very 'creative' workings going on to get Toulouse above any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 8 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: I remember when having reputedly spent £10m and taking a very long time the Agency working for the Pharma giant came up with the 'unique' name Zeneca, a short time after the announcement whilst the War for the breakup of Yugoslavia was taking place, a reporter was giving his newscast in a remote mountain backdrop and there was a sign behind him pointing to a little village 'Zeneca', so much for exploration and research Chris. I think you'll find that it is actually 'Zenica' and not pronounced the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dovster Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 9 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: So you are expecting Toulouse to get more points than the bottom placed 'B' rated SL club at that time Dovster? From what little we know about the gradings at the moment, and the SL incumbents seemingly being favoured to accrue more points, I should think as how Toulouse stand at present there will have to be some very 'creative' workings going on to get Toulouse above any of them. Where there is a will theres a way. IMG = Creativity (I believe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav Wilson Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Angelic Cynic said: It would appear the meetings are NOT to change what has been decided - just to further explain and reiterate the decision(s). I suppose 12 years of discussions would be a waste of IMG and their Marketing skills. "What those changes are remains to be seen, though they aren’t thought to be major. It was always considered that there would be amendments to the initial proposals as part of the consultation process with clubs." CLICKY 1 @GavWilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 16 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: So you are expecting Toulouse to get more points than the bottom placed 'B' rated SL club at that time Dovster? From what little we know about the gradings at the moment, and the SL incumbents seemingly being favoured to accrue more points, I should think as how Toulouse stand at present there will have to be some very 'creative' workings going on to get Toulouse above any of them. I don't know... when you look at the emphasis on "non centralised turnover" etc and factor in a few things in toulouse (and a couple of the other top champ sides) it wouldn't take much to push them above even without the weighting.. The big part of the champ teams struggling without weighting will come when the first swap happens (so the strong Bs are in) and they start to develop further with extra funding. I think the first one could be closer than some think.. But that's just my reading of some of it without the stats etc and I may be wrong.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispmartha Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 58 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: I remember when having reputedly spent £10m and taking a very long time the Agency working for the Pharma giant came up with the 'unique' name Zeneca, a short time after the announcement whilst the War for the breakup of Yugoslavia was taking place, a reporter was giving his newscast in a remote mountain backdrop and there was a sign behind him pointing to a little village 'Zeneca', so much for exploration and research Chris. Cool story. Not sure what it’s got to do with this rebranding project though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glossop saint Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 24 minutes ago, RP London said: I don't know... when you look at the emphasis on "non centralised turnover" etc and factor in a few things in toulouse (and a couple of the other top champ sides) it wouldn't take much to push them above even without the weighting.. The big part of the champ teams struggling without weighting will come when the first swap happens (so the strong Bs are in) and they start to develop further with extra funding. I think the first one could be closer than some think.. But that's just my reading of some of it without the stats etc and I may be wrong.. So have we reached the point where some people want weighting unless it's for Toulouse? Maybe we should be giving extra weighting to those clubs on the M62 corridor? I think we may have found the crux of some people's argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 23 minutes ago, glossop saint said: So have we reached the point where some people want weighting unless it's for Toulouse? Maybe we should be giving extra weighting to those clubs on the M62 corridor? I think we may have found the crux of some people's argument. Not all clubs on the M62, just mine (or none at all if “mine” is not on the M62) is the real crux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 8 hours ago, Chrispmartha said: A's probably have As because they have already sorted their stadium out, and they might find if they finish near the bottom for a few years on the trot they suddenly aren't As anymore. IMG has been clear that gradings will be looked at on a yearly basis So why do you need to grade them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelic Cynic Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Gav Wilson said: "What those changes are remains to be seen, though they aren’t thought to be major. It was always considered that there would be amendments to the initial proposals as part of the consultation process with clubs." CLICKY So all those Super League clubs,at the last meeting,and their followers since the details were put into the public domain,were willing to agree to something that wasn't finalised? Very worrying. I hope those pesky little clubs,in little towns,aren't complaining and know their place. No reserves,but resilience,persistence and determination are omnipotent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, Angelic Cynic said: Vote will take place at the RFL Council Special General Meeting on April 19th 3 . June/July discussions will take place with clubs using current data to explain the model and their current score. Have I got this right, The vote to pass this process will be on April 19th then..... In June/July discussions will take place to explain the model............ which the clubs will have been given their current score based on the data. Surely the model should be explained prior to the vote. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav Wilson Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, Angelic Cynic said: So all those Super League clubs,at the last meeting,and their followers since the details were put into the public domain,were willing to agree to something that wasn't finalised? Very worrying. Well if everyone agreed to it straight away then it would have been finalised, but they didn't, so it wasn't. @GavWilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, RP London said: No being an A is meeting the minimum standard. But because we don’t have enough for a league they are letting in those below minimum but that are closest to the minimum That's very good of them, why not just take the 'A's to form their own League, as one Chairman indicates that will be 4 clubs, £6.5M each on current funding 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, NW10LDN said: I think you'll find that it is actually 'Zenica' and not pronounced the same. Thanks for the correction, it was from memory and that was approx 30 years ago now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 59 minutes ago, glossop saint said: So have we reached the point where some people want weighting unless it's for Toulouse? Maybe we should be giving extra weighting to those clubs on the M62 corridor? I think we may have found the crux of some people's argument. Ah I can see where you are going Glossop, those are your thoughts no one elses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: That's very good of them, why not just take the 'A's to form their own League, as one Chairman indicates that will be 4 clubs, £6.5M each on current funding Isn't it just Harry ? , Be interesting to see what happens when it comes to the ' crunch ' , I notice everybody was busy yesterday morning , I had 9 negative quotes within 4 hours , only noticing them last night when getting home after the game Any grading other than A, B or C just isn't necessary IMO, in truth no gradings are necessary and will be ' engineered ' to suit who they want Time to leave this thread alone 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Chrispmartha said: Cool story. Not sure what it’s got to do with this rebranding project though Your term "exploration and research phase" reminded me of a "rebranding process" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: those are your thoughts no one elses. Aren't all thoughts yours and no one else's unless you belong to the Borg Collective. Edited March 31 by Oxford 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Parker Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 3 hours ago, gingerjon said: Midlands Hurricanes are a B? How do you know that - do you work for IMG? or have they been announced today and I missed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Parker Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, RP London said: No being an A is meeting the minimum standard. But because we don’t have enough for a league they are letting in those below minimum but that are closest to the minimum, but if they are overtaken by another club then bye bye. I agree there should be a weighting so that the clubs are treated equally whether in champ or super league but let’s not get away from the fact the Bs are not meeting the minimum so they are in by invitation. i understand you don’t like it and think the 80s were better but it’s professional sport now and this is where this sits, we can't go back unless you want to go the whole hog and go semi pro again (which is an option and one we may have to take if we don’t sort ourselves out) I know some don’t want to hear comparisons but technically you are invited or elected to play in the premier league which is run by the FA not the football league… just that everyone is meeting the grade now… something that all rl clubs should be aspiring too and hopefully we will get there NO, being an A is meeting the minimum standard TO BE AN "A" not to be in SL. They are not letting Bs in to make up the league. Half of SL will/may probably be Bs are you saying they REALLY shouldn't be there??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glossop saint Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 32 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Ah I can see where you are going Glossop, those are your thoughts no one elses. I wasn't the one slowly getting there. I've just jumped a couple of steps. Similar to those who claim Leigh wouldn't have been promoted last season and that RFL/IMG want them out of SL, despite plenty of posts to the contrary. With the levels of insecurity amongst some then they should be posting on the conspiracy theory thread on the politics board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispmartha Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 33 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Your term "exploration and research phase" reminded me of a "rebranding process" Well, thats part of the process of big rebranding exercises 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glossop saint Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 10 hours ago, Derwent Parker said: NO, being an A is meeting the minimum standard TO BE AN "A" not to be in SL. They are not letting Bs in to make up the league. Half of SL will/may probably be Bs are you saying they REALLY shouldn't be there??? And superleague should be a league full of As. Hence why they will expand to accommodate As. Unfortunately at the moment there aren't enough As to make a league and so there needs to be some Bs in there. Since they don't meet the minimum standards to be in there by right then the top Bs are being invited in whilst they improve to be an A. Edited April 1 by glossop saint Spelling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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