Oldham..,

[sentoffagain2]

   Good to have ambition to better the club for the town and supporters.However the chance of Oldham getting into SL under the present IMG guidlines would be at least 1000/1.But if the greedy SL clubs and IMG opened it up to two league of 10 many more Championship and Division 1 clubs would have some hope of progress .I hear you say not enough players of SL standard.Then all clubs will need to produce more taking an interest in 14 years up in schools and colleges like the NFL do in America.

[JohnM]

14 minutes ago, sentoffagain2 said:

   Good to have ambition to better the club for the town and supporters.However the chance of Oldham getting into SL under the present IMG guidlines would be at least 1000/1.But if the greedy SL clubs and IMG opened it up to two league of 10 many more Championship and Division 1 clubs would have some hope of progress .I hear you say not enough players of SL standard.Then all clubs will need to produce more taking an interest in 14 years up in schools and colleges like the NFL do in America.

Here we go again. It's got it all.

1. If

2. Greedy

3. IMG

I admit to being skeptical of any long term prospects of Oldham's survival but happy to be proved wrong and they seem to be moving in the right direction. 

In addition, no one knows how rugby league will look like after 12 years of the RFLs "Reimagining Rugby League" project. At the end of the project, will SL comprise the same clubs as now? Clubs come....clubs go. Evolve or become extinct. 

 

[sentoffagain2]

13 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Here we go again. It's got it all.

1. If

2. Greedy

3. IMG

I admit to being skeptical of any long term prospects of Oldham's survival but happy to be proved wrong and they seem to be moving in the right direction. 

In addition, no one knows how rugby league will look like after 12 years of the RFLs "Reimagining Rugby League" project. At the end of the project, will SL comprise the same clubs as now? Clubs come....clubs go. Evolve or become extinct. 

 

   Supporters of SL clubs will want it to stay as it is.At the end of IMG.s 12 years i would be very surprised if more than 3 different teams are in SL than at present.That is with Wakey in SL instead of London which we all know will happen at the end of the season.You support a SL club so adopt the i'm all right Jack attitude.What about the rest of the teams who will only get weaker with ambition stifled.

[Just Browny]

59 minutes ago, sheddingswasus said:

The two clubs have a great relationship. The football clubs owner has developed a great relationship with the rugby lads and attends all the games. 
On the field the club are continuing to build. Adam Sidlaw until end of season, Riley Dean on a contract to be announced at 10 today, plus most of the players are already contracts until end of 2025. 

No intention of being a Debbie Downer, these things are just hard and relationships go down as well as up.

On your last point, I really hope Riley Dean settles down there and it becomes a long-term base for him. He's 23 next month and, by my reckoning, this will be his 8th club. I think young lads get shunted around far too much and at some point it must become harmful for their development, especially in a position like half back where combinations are so important to success.

[philipw]

12 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

No intention of being a Debbie Downer, these things are just hard and relationships go down as well as up.

On your last point, I really hope Riley Dean settles down there and it becomes a long-term base for him. He's 23 next month and, by my reckoning, this will be his 8th club. I think young lads get shunted around far too much and at some point it must become harmful for their development, especially in a position like half back where combinations are so important to success.

He's signed a 2.5 year deal, so hopefully will get some stability now. 

[philipw]

18 minutes ago, sentoffagain2 said:

   Supporters of SL clubs will want it to stay as it is.At the end of IMG.s 12 years i would be very surprised if more than 3 different teams are in SL than at present.That is with Wakey in SL instead of London which we all know will happen at the end of the season.You support a SL club so adopt the i'm all right Jack attitude.What about the rest of the teams who will only get weaker with ambition stifled.

So you wouldn't be surprised with a 25% turnover of teams? Is that not a fairly big change anyway (for those clubs that can make sustainable improvements in playing squads, infrastructure, fan engagement, revenue generation)?

[sheddingswasus]

1 hour ago, sheddingswasus said:

The two clubs have a great relationship. The football clubs owner has developed a great relationship with the rugby lads and attends all the games. 
On the field the club are continuing to build. Adam Sidlaw until end of season, Riley Dean on a contract to be announced at 10 today, plus most of the players are already contracts until end of 2025. 

2 1/2 year contract

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

Can't believe it's been 16 months since I made that first post. It was based on rumours, whispers and conjecture.  Can't believe I added 2+2 and actually came up with 4. There is one thing that I, and many yeds fans, are excited about, and it's not superleague but the fact that the club is now interacting with and increasing the fan base and working with the local grass roots set up.

Edited July 19 by The Art of Hand and Foot

[Human Punk]

Good to hear about the yeds and latics working together. Oldham needs all the help it can get, and maybe the sports clubs, with that attitude, can help bring some positivity back and in some way contribute to the town's revival.

[Roughyed Rats]

9 minutes ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

Can't believe it's been 16 months since I made that first post. It was based on rumours, whispers and conjecture.  Can't believe I added 2+2 and actually came up with 4. There is one thing that I, and many yeds fans, are excited about, and it's not superleague but the fact that the club is now interacting with and increasing the fan base and working with the local grass roots set up.

Spot on. Couldn’t give a monkey’s chuff about spreadsheet league. Just hoping for us to progress to the Championship and compete, whilst building up our community involvement and supporter base. If we can arrest 25 plus years of decline, then I for one will be happy with that.

[LeeF]

2 hours ago, philipw said:

So you wouldn't be surprised with a 25% turnover of teams? Is that not a fairly big change anyway (for those clubs that can make sustainable improvements in playing squads, infrastructure, fan engagement, revenue generation)?

A 25% turnover of teams in what many claim is a “closed” shop league is enormous. It’s almost like it is expected to be a closed shop

[Whippet13]

3 hours ago, sentoffagain2 said:

   Supporters of SL clubs will want it to stay as it is.

Do you have any proof of this? Most of the supporters of SL clubs I know are more than happy for teams who deserve it to be in the top league. Personally, I'd be delighted to have Oldham back in SL.

[philipw]

1 hour ago, LeeF said:

A 25% turnover of teams in what many claim is a “closed” shop league is enormous. It’s almost like it is expected to be a closed shop

Exactly. If it was a closed shop, it would be genuine franchising. Like or loath the IMG plan, there is scope for progression- but the clones have to drive that themselves, which I suspect more than a few don’t really like the idea of. 

[sheddingswasus]

One of the most exciting things at Oldham is the development of the youth set up. It was under the old management a half hearted link with Leeds. Not it is fully independent. They have teams from 13’s upto 18’s. Next steP is  an academy 

[sentoffagain2]

1 hour ago, LeeF said:

A 25% turnover of teams in what many claim is a “closed” shop league is enormous. It’s almost like it is expected to be a closed shop

  We have had two Championship clubs promoted in the last 8 years in Leigh and Hull KR who have enhanced SL.Despite the fact the cards were stacked against them not being allowed a seasons grace to establish themselves.Meanwhile we have two clubs in Huddersfield and Hull FC that have never earned the right to be in SL.Leeds are a basket case underachieving year after year recently.With their income they should be in the top three every season.

[JohnM]

."With their income they should be in the top three every season."

If that were the case, someone would complain about Leeds domination.

That's the joy of the whole competition: every club has to work to get a winning manager, a good income, good cost control, good player development and recruitment, good facilities, fan engagement.....perhaps the RFL could engage a global sports management company to drive that, to solidify best practice into a series of scored criteria.

Oh, well, it'll never happen....n

 

 

[Griff]

"Meanwhile we have two clubs in Huddersfield and Hull FC that have never earned the right to be in SL."

What do you mean by that, Sentoff?

[philipw]

18 minutes ago, Griff said:

"Meanwhile we have two clubs in Huddersfield and Hull FC that have never earned the right to be in SL."

What do you mean by that, Sentoff?

I would guess it’s a nod to the Shuddersfield and Gateshull ThunderSharks mergers …. Only 25 and 27 years ago 

[Griff]

22 minutes ago, philipw said:

I would guess it’s a nod to the Shuddersfield and Gateshull ThunderSharks mergers …. Only 25 and 27 years ago 

Both 25 years ago, actually.  Gateshead Thunder didn't even exist 27 years ago.

Both Hull and Huddersfield earned their places in a conventional way by winning Division Two, in 1997 and 1998, respectively.

To say that these clubs never earned their place is to stretch the truth beyond breaking point.

Edited July 19 by Griff

[Wellsy4HullFC]

26 minutes ago, Griff said:

Both 25 years ago, actually.  Gateshead Thunder didn't even exist 27 years ago.

Both Hull and Huddersfield earned their places in a conventional way by winning Division Two, in 1997 and 1998, respectively.

To say that these clubs never earned their place is to stretch the truth beyond breaking point.

Huddersfield didn't win in 1998. They were promoted and year as Hull won the league IIRC.

Either way, since then Huddersfield had been relegated and promoted. Hull never finished in a relegation position. So no idea what he's on about 

[philipw]

2 hours ago, Griff said:

Both 25 years ago, actually.  Gateshead Thunder didn't even exist 27 years ago.

Both Hull and Huddersfield earned their places in a conventional way by winning Division Two, in 1997 and 1998, respectively.

To say that these clubs never earned their place is to stretch the truth beyond breaking point.

I had Gateshead as 1997 in my head - not sure why. Loved the squad they put together that year-some real interesting players, and lots of interest around the club that year. 

[LeeF]

5 hours ago, sentoffagain2 said:

  We have had two Championship clubs promoted in the last 8 years in Leigh and Hull KR who have enhanced SL.Despite the fact the cards were stacked against them not being allowed a seasons grace to establish themselves.Meanwhile we have two clubs in Huddersfield and Hull FC that have never earned the right to be in SL.Leeds are a basket case underachieving year after year recently.With their income they should be in the top three every season.

So 2 out of 12. Less than 25% turnover. It’s almost like the existing structure is delivering what everyone is scared of

[Griff]

4 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Huddersfield didn't win in 1998. They were promoted and year as Hull won the league IIRC.

Either way, since then Huddersfield had been relegated and promoted. Hull never finished in a relegation position. So no idea what he's on about 

Yep. Huddersfield went up in 2002. So it's a made up whinge.

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

12 hours ago, sentoffagain2 said:

   Good to have ambition to better the club for the town and supporters.However the chance of Oldham getting into SL under the present IMG guidlines would be at least 1000/1.But if the greedy SL clubs and IMG opened it up to two league of 10 many more Championship and Division 1 clubs would have some hope of progress .I hear you say not enough players of SL standard.Then all clubs will need to produce more taking an interest in 14 years up in schools and colleges like the NFL do in America.

I'll put a quid on that! Is it a bet?

[Hopie]

1 hour ago, LeeF said:

So 2 out of 12. Less than 25% turnover. It’s almost like the existing structure is delivering what everyone is scared of

Very few ever presents in the Super League era. Think you are considering too small an amount of time.