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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • England by 13 points or more
      21
    • England by 7 to 12 points
      25
    • England by 1 to 6 points
      10
    • Tonga by 1 to 6 points
      4
    • Tonga by 7 to 12 points
      4
    • Tonga by 13 points or more
      4

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Dunbar

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Jack Welsby to captain England.

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bobbruce
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He should probably play for England I don’t see any benefit in him going to yours to play for you. Plus it’s just a bit weird. 

DavidM
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Whatever the doubters say Test rugby is the best bar none 

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I am looking forward to the match now, but yesterday i wasn’t. Storm Babet had put me off and i was going to give it a miss, I was wondering if Peasley Cross Bridge was flooded as well.  But everyth

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Dunbar

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7 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

anymore team news?

Not yet that I can see.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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Eddie

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On 19/10/2023 at 10:42, Rovers13 said:

Just put £50 on Tonga got 5-2 seen as though your all saying England will win, as RL fans are known to be wrong more than right 🤣🤣

After sticking a ton on Tonga to win the WC at 14s and smugly thinking about how to spend my cash, I won’t be backing them in the Northern Hemisphere again. 

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17 stone giant

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4 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Wow, has there ever been a younger England captain? 

Good question. 22 is young for a captain, in any sport.

What other candidates were there, and why might they have been overlooked in favour of Welsby?

Is it likely to be a permanent appointment, or just filling in for a game or so?

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Maybe Shaun Wane is aware of the following:

On 29 May 1963, 22-year-old Bobby Moore captained his country for the first time in just his 12th appearance after the retirement of Johnny Haynes and an injury to his successor, Jimmy Armfield. He was the youngest man ever to captain England at the highest level.

That turned out all right.

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5 minutes ago, 17 stone giant said:

Maybe Shaun Wane is aware of the following:

On 29 May 1963, 22-year-old Bobby Moore captained his country for the first time in just his 12th appearance after the retirement of Johnny Haynes and an injury to his successor, Jimmy Armfield. He was the youngest man ever to captain England at the highest level.

That turned out all right.

Showing my age here, but I’m fairly sure Barry Venison was 19 or 20 when he captained Sunderland in the 1985 Milk Cup final, won of course by Norwich, 1-0 with an Asa Hartford shot deflected in off Gordon Chisholm. The last ever 100,000 crowd in England. 

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Just now, Eddie said:

Showing my age here, but I’m fairly sure Barry Venison was 19 or 20 when he captained Sunderland in the 1985 Milk Cup final, won of course by Norwich, 1-0 with an Asa Hartford shot deflected in off Gordon Chisholm. The last ever 100,000 crowd in England. 

Barry Venison! Now that's a name I never expected to read on this forum. Great hair, and great knowledge by you, Eddie. I did watch the 1985 FA Cup Final, but the earliest Milk Cup final I remember was Oxford the following year, so I missed that epic Norwich win.

Unfortunately for you they got their revenge in the 1992 FA Cup SF!

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1 minute ago, 17 stone giant said:

Barry Venison! Now that's a name I never expected to read on this forum. Great hair, and great knowledge by you, Eddie. I did watch the 1985 FA Cup Final, but the earliest Milk Cup final I remember was Oxford the following year, so I missed that epic Norwich win.

Unfortunately for you they got their revenge in the 1992 FA Cup SF!

I know, I was there 😭 

 

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Dunbar

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19 man squad for England.

John Bateman (Wests Tigers), Tom Burgess (South Sydney Rabbitohs), Daryl Clark (Warrington Wolves), Liam Farrell (Wigan Warriors), Chris Hill (Huddersfield Giants), Tom Johnstone (Catalans Dragons), Toby King (Wigan Warriors), Morgan Knowles, Matty Lees (both St Helens), Mikey Lewis (Hull KR), Tommy Makinson (St Helens), Mike McMeeken (Catalans Dragons), Robbie Mulhern (Leigh Leopards), Harry Newman (Leeds Rhinos), Victor Radley (Sydney Roosters), Harry Smith (Wigan Warriors), Danny Walker (Warrington Wolves), Jack Welsby (St Helens), Elliott Whitehead (Canberra Raiders) 

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"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

19 man squad for England.

John Bateman (Wests Tigers), Tom Burgess (South Sydney Rabbitohs), Daryl Clark (Warrington Wolves), Liam Farrell (Wigan Warriors), Chris Hill (Huddersfield Giants), Tom Johnstone (Catalans Dragons), Toby King (Wigan Warriors), Morgan Knowles, Matty Lees (both St Helens), Mikey Lewis (Hull KR), Tommy Makinson (St Helens), Mike McMeeken (Catalans Dragons), Robbie Mulhern (Leigh Leopards), Harry Newman (Leeds Rhinos), Victor Radley (Sydney Roosters), Harry Smith (Wigan Warriors), Danny Walker (Warrington Wolves), Jack Welsby (St Helens), Elliott Whitehead (Canberra Raiders) 

No Young is a big call.

Suppose those missing the 17 will depend on the bench composition, assuming Walker plays it's probably 2 of Lees, Farrell and Mulhearn to miss out?

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So, the spine is Welsby, Lewis, Smith and Clark / Walker (one of the latter on the bench)

Will Wane play Lewis at full back and Welsby at 6 or the other way around?

Has to be Makinson, Newman, King and Johnstone in the backline.

We will probably see Bateman and Whitehead in the 2nd row and McMeeken on the bench.

From that, I would go with.

1. Welsby/Lewis

2. Makinson

3. Newman

4. King

5. Johnstone

6. Welsby/Lewis

7. Smith

8. Hill

9. Clark

10. Burgess

11. Bateman

12. Whitehead

13. Radley

 

14. Lees

15. Mulhern

16. Walker

17. McMeeken

This is Farrell and Knowles to miss out - but it could easily be Farrell in place of Whitehead or Bateman.

I would like to see two specialist props on the bench and I like McMeeken over Knowles as he is cover for front row and the edge in case we have to shift an edge player into the centre following injury.

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4 minutes ago, UTK said:

No Young is a big call.

Suppose those missing the 17 will depend on the bench composition, assuming Walker plays it's probably 2 of Lees, Farrell and Mulhearn to miss out?

It was Makinson or Young so either way a quality player.

I am pleased that Johnstone has one wing berth and I am also pleased that the wingers are playing on their preferred wing (I assume!).

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1 minute ago, Dunbar said:

It was Makinson or Young so either way a quality player.

I am pleased that Johnstone has one wing berth and I am also pleased that the wingers are playing on their preferred wing (I assume!).

Yeah I suppose this is one of those fortunate situations where there is no wrong choice, be nice if one could play centre but I warrant putting Dom there without extended first-grade experience in the position.

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3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

It was Makinson or Young so either way a quality player.

I am pleased that Johnstone has one wing berth and I am also pleased that the wingers are playing on their preferred wing (I assume!).

Dom has got plenty of time. I think giving Tom a slot is great reward for his determination to come back from at least two serious knee injuries. He did right to move on from Wakefield which IMHO can only assist to enhance his international opportunities. Like I say Dom will also get his shot.

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On 19/10/2023 at 09:52, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Very excited for this 

My kids are looking forward to the Sipi Tau

England just too strong/settled to English conditions for the first game and we win by 3 scores I think 

Hoping some chanting gets going.....are they brining in the England football band again? Mich as I didn't like the Sheffield game it was at least nice and shouty/cheery

They were awful at Doncaster and have been awful at Sheffield Wednesday/Leeds/England whoever pays them enough for years.

The Tonga fans were brilliant in the world cup.

 

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