1895 Cup Revamp

[Derwent Parker]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

The truth from Cornwall about why they are not in the cup:

During recent discussions among League 1 clubs about the proposed competition structure for 2024, Cornwall RLFC was asked by the collective if it would consider sitting out of the AB Sundecks 1895 Cup competition, for 2024 only, to ease the logistical burden for other League 1 clubs. The club felt that this decision would allow for a swifter resolution to be reached for the 2024 season structure and, after careful and considered deliberation, Cornwall RLFC has graciously agreed to the collectives request to not participate in the AB Sundecks 1895 Cup in 2024.

Commenting on this decision, Cornwall RLFC’s chief executive officer Rob Butland, said: “Cornwall RLFC is a club which has the expansion and development of rugby league at its core, and whilst our preference would have been to take part in the 1895 Cup in 2024, after discussions with our fellow clubs it was ultimately decided that with the interest of the wider game at heart we would agree to the request.

“We look forward to seeing everyone on the pitch in both the Betfred Challenge Cup and Betfred League 1 season next year.”

Club Statement: AB Sundecks 1895 Cup - Cornwall RLFC

It was',t for the benefit of L1 clubs it was to pacify the CH clubs who did not want to travel away from the M62 corridor 

[OriginalMrC]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

The truth from Cornwall about why they are not in the cup:

During recent discussions among League 1 clubs about the proposed competition structure for 2024, Cornwall RLFC was asked by the collective if it would consider sitting out of the AB Sundecks 1895 Cup competition, for 2024 only, to ease the logistical burden for other League 1 clubs. The club felt that this decision would allow for a swifter resolution to be reached for the 2024 season structure and, after careful and considered deliberation, Cornwall RLFC has graciously agreed to the collectives request to not participate in the AB Sundecks 1895 Cup in 2024.

Commenting on this decision, Cornwall RLFC’s chief executive officer Rob Butland, said: “Cornwall RLFC is a club which has the expansion and development of rugby league at its core, and whilst our preference would have been to take part in the 1895 Cup in 2024, after discussions with our fellow clubs it was ultimately decided that with the interest of the wider game at heart we would agree to the request.

“We look forward to seeing everyone on the pitch in both the Betfred Challenge Cup and Betfred League 1 season next year.”

Club Statement: AB Sundecks 1895 Cup - Cornwall RLFC

This is truly embarrassing. I despair sometimes with the way the sport treats non heartlands clubs 

[Pulga]

So Championship clubs can't afford to travel to Cornwall but they allow them into SL through P&R?

This is why IMG are needed. We need to take the power away from both the clubs, SL and the RFL. They've been aiming for mediocrity for too long. What an embarrassment.

[Harry Stottle]

On 09/11/2023 at 11:29, Derwent Parker said:

It would have been better just for L1 to play each other 4 times 28 matches? - similar amount to champ. Maybe with a few pennies thrown towards L1 to assist travelling?

That is no good to anyone DP, I remember when they reduced the 2nd Division to 8 teams playing each other 4 times (can't remember the year) apart from it being ultimately boring, the games were vendettas in as much as payback was sought for the 'thump' a player received in a previous game it was still fresh in the memory, and this was at a time when the rules were much more lenient than they are today, there would not be many games finishing with 13 a side under the present rules and interpretations by today's Merry Whistleblowers - one of Stevo's phrases.

[Fevrover]

9 hours ago, Pulga said:

So Championship clubs can't afford to travel to Cornwall but they allow them into SL through P&R?

This is why IMG are needed. We need to take the power away from both the clubs, SL and the RFL. They've been aiming for mediocrity for too long. What an embarrassment.

Good luck taking the power away from SL lol.

[Harry Stottle]

9 hours ago, Pulga said:

So Championship clubs can't afford to travel to Cornwall but they allow them into SL through P&R?

This is why IMG are needed. We need to take the power away from both the clubs, SL and the RFL. They've been aiming for mediocrity for too long. What an embarrassment.

You mean like Toulouse Olympic opting out of the Challenge Cup, totally agree. It will be interesting if under IMG as we seem to be now, Toulouse have no option but to enter the competition?

[Griff]

9 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

You mean like Toulouse Olympic opting out of the Challenge Cup, totally agree. It will be interesting if under IMG as we seem to be now, Toulouse have no option but to enter the competition?

Toulouse aren't members of the RFL. They are invited to enter. They declined. They didn't opt out.

There's a subtle difference.

[sam4731]

10 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

You mean like Toulouse Olympic opting out of the Challenge Cup, totally agree. It will be interesting if under IMG as we seem to be now, Toulouse have no option but to enter the competition?

 

43 minutes ago, Griff said:

Toulouse aren't members of the RFL. They are invited to enter. They declined. They didn't opt out.

There's a subtle difference.

They are also told that if they do play in it they have to pay 500k for the privilege.

They're 'invited' to play in the CC in the same way that I'm 'invited' to holiday in the Maldives every year.

Edited November 10, 2023 by sam4731

[Anita Bath]

33 minutes ago, sam4731 said:

 

They are also told that if they do play in it they have to pay 500k for the privilege.

They're 'invited' to play in the CC in the same way that I'm 'invited' to holiday in the Maldives every year.

One would hope this would be on IMgs list of things to sort out. But i suppose it will be a long list..

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

58 minutes ago, sam4731 said:

 

They are also told that if they do play in it they have to pay 500k for the privilege.

They're 'invited' to play in the CC in the same way that I'm 'invited' to holiday in the Maldives every year.

Good grief, this was sorted several years ago

[Griff]

On 09/11/2023 at 18:50, Derwent Parker said:

But the following year if it stays the same you will get more home games?

Who will?

[Griff]

1 hour ago, sam4731 said:

 

They are also told that if they do play in it they have to pay 500k for the privilege.

They're 'invited' to play in the CC in the same way that I'm 'invited' to holiday in the Maldives every year.

Not sure what your point is there. Either way, they were invited, they declined.

 

[Harry Stottle]

11 hours ago, Griff said:

Toulouse aren't members of the RFL. They are invited to enter. They declined. They didn't opt out.

There's a subtle difference.

 

10 hours ago, sam4731 said:

 

They are also told that if they do play in it they have to pay 500k for the privilege.

They're 'invited' to play in the CC in the same way that I'm 'invited' to holiday in the Maldives every year.

Considering my post was in answer to:-

"This is why IMG are needed. We need to take the power away from both the clubs SL and RFL" 

So I answered :-

"You mean like Toulouse Olympic opting out of the Challenge Cup, totally agree. It will be interesting if under IMG as we seem to be now, Toulouse have no option but to enter the competition?"

So not wanting to steer this away from the thread, this will be my last post on the subject.

Forgive my ignorance guys, but I was under the impression that IMG are wiping the slate clean of the 'old and tired' system and bringing in a brand new shiny one that will take the game forward. 

[sam4731]

9 hours ago, Griff said:

Not sure what your point is there. Either way, they were invited, they declined.

 

My point is that saying that they were invited and them declining puts the blame on them, whereas its the authorities fault.

[Griff]

20 minutes ago, sam4731 said:

My point is that saying that they were invited and them declining puts the blame on them, whereas its the authorities fault.

Fault? There's no fault. They've chosen not to enter.

[dkw]

54 minutes ago, Griff said:

Fault? There's no fault. They've chosen not to enter.

They didn't, they stated they wanted to be in the competition but were "persuaded" not to enter, there's a big difference. 

Edited November 11, 2023 by dkw

[Anita Bath]

42 minutes ago, dkw said:

They didn't, they stated they wanted to be in the competent but were "persuaded" not to enter, there's a big difference. 

Now there is a freudian slip resulting from a spellchecker no doubt.

How else could the word competent be used in association with the RFL

[Griff]

56 minutes ago, dkw said:

They didn't, they stated they wanted to be in the competition but were "persuaded" not to enter, there's a big difference. 

Toulouse wanted to be in?

[Click]

1 hour ago, dkw said:

They didn't, they stated they wanted to be in the competition but were "persuaded" not to enter, there's a big difference. 

 

21 minutes ago, Griff said:

Toulouse wanted to be in?

This is what happens when people go off topic.. Two posters going back and forth, one I can only assume is talking about Cornwall, the other Toulouse ....

[dkw]

23 minutes ago, Griff said:

Toulouse wanted to be in?

I thought this was about Cornwall. 

[bobbruce]

On 09/11/2023 at 17:35, Damien said:

The truth from Cornwall about why they are not in the cup:

During recent discussions among League 1 clubs about the proposed competition structure for 2024, Cornwall RLFC was asked by the collective if it would consider sitting out of the AB Sundecks 1895 Cup competition, for 2024 only, to ease the logistical burden for other League 1 clubs. The club felt that this decision would allow for a swifter resolution to be reached for the 2024 season structure and, after careful and considered deliberation, Cornwall RLFC has graciously agreed to the collectives request to not participate in the AB Sundecks 1895 Cup in 2024.

Commenting on this decision, Cornwall RLFC’s chief executive officer Rob Butland, said: “Cornwall RLFC is a club which has the expansion and development of rugby league at its core, and whilst our preference would have been to take part in the 1895 Cup in 2024, after discussions with our fellow clubs it was ultimately decided that with the interest of the wider game at heart we would agree to the request.

“We look forward to seeing everyone on the pitch in both the Betfred Challenge Cup and Betfred League 1 season next year.”

Club Statement: AB Sundecks 1895 Cup - Cornwall RLFC

And we wonder why the game struggles to spread its foot print. 

[Griff]

53 minutes ago, dkw said:

I thought this was about Cornwall. 

I did.  Then Harry said Toulouse.

[Harry Stottle]

6 hours ago, Griff said:

I did.  Then Harry said Toulouse.

I was answering the Aussie, has I told you but you decided to  carry it on, I opted out.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Harry Stottle

[Barley Mow]

I doubt it'll be a surprise to anyone, but Workington's season ticket information confirms that the other two clubs in their 1895 cup group will be Whitehaven and Barrow:

https://www.townrlfc.com/article/788/2024-season-ticket-offers

[Bulls2487]

7 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

I doubt it'll be a surprise to anyone, but Workington's season ticket information confirms that the other two clubs in their 1895 cup group will be Whitehaven and Barrow:

https://www.townrlfc.com/article/788/2024-season-ticket-offers

I imagine we will play Halifax and Keighley.