IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Tommygilf]

3 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

As for your first paragraph, I think that will sum up a lot of people after we have had a couple of years of how a national vote went last week, the thing is those people will have to see out the term of office, (unlike the subject we are discussing) but that is for another thread. 

Secondly I don't know which clubs "have changed their minds" I have heard the same rumours as everyone else that there is growing discontent towards IMG's methods amongst the member clubs.

As I said to you earlier Tommy, if this is the case it is no good clubs pulling in different directions, get it sorted with a decision to keep with IMG for the full term or ditch it, and whichever way the majority goes make it binding.

1st Paragraph is great, if they want to change they do at the end of the elected term. 

The rumours are from client journos speaking to the same people making the same point. There's nothing new.

IMG will keep the clubs that matter and enough of those that don't on board. That is the crux of this issue.

[Harry Stottle]

41 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

IMG will keep the clubs that matter and enough of those that don't on board. That is the crux of this issue.

Is that part of IMG's remit to decide which will be the participating clubs and structure of this system?

Not according to this guy it isn't, you may just recognise him from a few posts back.

"IMG's focus has been the presentation of matches, broadcast agreements seeing SL on FTA (indeed the BBC), digital advertising opportunities, all games being televised, all games looking the same with the same pitch markings, video refs at every match, every club improving it's digital content in a consistent manner making participation in the league a recognisable identity. Etc."

Edited July 13, 2024 by Harry Stottle

[Damien]

1 hour ago, Cerulean said:

But Rugby League has not had 130 years of failings and poor management. This sport has been Britain’s 3rd most popular spectator sport. It could fill Wembley on a day which was a major landmark in the nation’s sporting calendar. Many other sports were jealous of its profile. It has been admired for its origins, history, genesis; for its innovation; for its combinations of bravery, ball-handling, evasive skills, movement, and much else.

Amongst all of this, few people cared too much about the structure of the leagues and divisions. The game was highly regarded for the way it was played, for the spectacle it provided.

Many of us have worked in organisations driven by the modern trend of imposed targets. We soon come to understand that effort is directed at collecting points and achieving ticks, rather than making worthwhile improvements.

If the primary focus of the sport now is to decide who bumps along the bottom of Super League, then the sport has gone down a cul-de-sac. There are bigger issues to tackle, and a powerpoint and spreadsheet exercise from an essentially indifferent organisation is not going to be enough. The sport is being lost in an ever increasing morass of other calls on our enthusiasms and our leisure spending. It needs to put its efforts into promoting its visible strengths.

Yes, there’s a lot to do: no, there isn’t a magic bullet, but IMG’s focus is an unfortunate diversion. And be certain that a time will come when the IMG involvement will be seen as a management failing.

Cherry picking a few points doesnt mean it hasnt had failings.

[Tommygilf]

4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Is that part of IMG's remit to decide which will be the participating clubs and structure of this system?

Not according to this guy it isn't, you may just recognise him from a few posts back.

"IMG's focus has been the presentation of matches, broadcast agreements seeing SL on FTA (indeed the BBC), digital advertising opportunities, all games being televised, all games looking the same with the same pitch markings, video refs at every match, every club improving it's digital content in a consistent manner making participation in the league a recognisable identity. Etc."

IMG only need those clubs to implement the changes.

Focus and remit mean different things Harry. The vast majority of IMGs work has been in those things described, the myopics in RL naturally can't see that.

[Harry Stottle]

6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

IMG only need those clubs to implement the changes.

Focus and remit mean different things Harry. The vast majority of IMGs work has been in those things described, the myopics in RL naturally can't see that.

Yes I know what focus and remit mean Tommy, it was just the way you worded that sentence I quoted that it seemed to imply it would be IMG's call.

I suspect you would welcome a split between the have's and have not's Tommy, some of the comments you have made over the last few years seem to advocate that, but I doubt that it would really need IMG's involvement to make that eventually happen.

[Tommygilf]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yes I know what focus and remit mean Tommy, it was just the way you worded that sentence I quoted that it seemed to imply it would be IMG's call.

I suspect you would welcome a split between the have's and have not's Tommy, some of the comments you have made over the last few years seem to advocate that, but I doubt that it would really need IMG's involvement to make that eventually happen.

Not at all. I'm just confident that if the split was between those backing IMG and those not, the leagues of those backing IMG would be far better off than those not. So long as that is the case they will be just fine. 

It's a strawman as ever Harry, disappointing. 

[Dave T]

It'd be interesting to see what wording KK would use to describe his own performance in recent years, including this one which has seen a remarkable decline in attendances. I don't think too many would be as kind as the words he used about IMG. 

Putting that aside though, I would say I don't have issues with tension in a relationship like this, challenging each other to do better is healthy and I think there would be a similar assessment for all parties if I'm honest - the RFL, the clubs, IMG etc. 

I found it interesting that this criticism came at the Vegas launch - maybe they just don't think it's that good an idea. There is no strategy around this, and didn't Wigan previously announce that their game v Hull in NSW would be the most important commercial deal in their history? Maybe some people see it as no more than a gimmick again. 

 

[Taffy Tiger]

On 11/07/2024 at 18:37, JM2010 said:

I agree. Grade As should be safe and if a grade B wins the Championship then they should replace the lowest placed Grade B in SL

I don't see how you can do this as you are grading teams differently .

I don't think you can say Championship GF Winner replaces lowest SL Grade B

I think it has to be either bottom SL replaced by Championship GF Winner (as was the case before IMG) or Lowest Grade B in SL replaced by Highest Grade B in Championship (irrespective of finishing position) , if you want to stick with a 1 up 1 down scenario that is .

 

[Trojan Horse]

Just one of a few behind the scenes things that most fans won’t see but it shows how ultra professional trinity are being and just exactly how much they are investing behind the scenes in all areas. 
 

New recovery room for players with ice bath plunge pools, hot tub and sauna facilities. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/uEv8wm4wDJ8vjogS/?mibextid=WC7FNe

[The Phantom Horseman]

29 minutes ago, Trojan Horse said:

Just one of a few behind the scenes things that most fans won’t see but it shows how ultra professional trinity are being and just exactly how much they are investing behind the scenes in all areas. 
 

New recovery room for players with ice bath plunge pools, hot tub and sauna facilities. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/uEv8wm4wDJ8vjogS/?mibextid=WC7FNe

I keep seeing these comments about Trinity being "ultra professional". Good luck to them and it's great that they're on the up, but the reason the other 13 Championship teams don't have these facilities is not because they're not professional enough...

[sentoffagain2]

5 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

I keep seeing these comments about Trinity being "ultra professional". Good luck to them and it's great that they're on the up, but the reason the other 13 Championship teams don't have these facilities is not because they're not professional enough...

   Not long since Wakey were using our facilities at Fev.

[The Phantom Horseman]

3 minutes ago, sentoffagain2 said:

   Not long since Wakey were using our facilities at Fev.

Indeed and I did have that in mind. In fairness after years of being in the doldrums their fans finally have reasons to be cheerful and it's understandable why they should be upbeat, and we had a few similar cheerleaders from Fev on this forum in recent years when we were going well. Plus I'd rather read someone who's constantly upbeat about his team than someone constantly moaning about them. Just read this comment on top of one on another thread praising their professionalism for training on a smaller pitch to prep for Odsal and thought some were getting a bit carried away! But again, it's understandable.

[Spidey]

Its great Wakefield are finally getting their act together, but does that forgive them for limping around in SL for the previous decade doing the bare minimum?

[dboy]

1 hour ago, sentoffagain2 said:

   Not long since Wakey were using our facilities at Fev.

And now we've gone for a professional set-up instead.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

3 hours ago, dboy said:

And now we've gone for a professional set-up instead.

That's one of the funniest things you've ever posted

Edited July 15, 2024 by Les Tonks Sidestep

[Fevrover]

3 hours ago, dboy said:

And now we've gone for a professional set-up instead.

You were glad of our unprofessional facilities before . 

[dboy]

59 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

You were glad of our unprofessional facilities before . 

It's a freezing cold barn with weights in!

I know Fev people marvel at electricity and indoor toilets, and still point at planes, but please!

[The Phantom Horseman]

9 hours ago, dboy said:

It's a freezing cold barn with weights in!

 

And a team getting about £2m a year in central funding/TV money were happy to travel over to use it for years.

[Fevrover]

10 hours ago, dboy said:

It's a freezing cold barn with weights in!

I know Fev people marvel at electricity and indoor toilets, and still point at planes, but please!

You should try going to c@$ . 

[dboy]

18 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

You should try going to c@$ . 

I will when I've had my diphtheria and cholera jabs.

[Fevrover]

36 minutes ago, dboy said:

I will when I've had my diphtheria and cholera jabs.

It's getting worse in a lot of the Country

[Harry Stottle]

37 minutes ago, dboy said:

I will when I've had my diphtheria and cholera jabs.

Just reading your comments dboy, it is very easy to laugh at people when you are on the way up, then there those who are humble when they come into a bit of brass and thankful for what has been done for them previously when they were struggling, but beware if your fortunes change.

[Agbrigg]

17 hours ago, Spidey said:

Its great Wakefield are finally getting their act together, but does that forgive them for limping around in SL for the previous decade doing the bare minimum?

In all fairness Wakefield were very pro active in getting a new stadium sorted for the last 20 years in SL. It was 2010 when they got planning passed to build a new stadium at Newmarket, which is a long time ago. Plus a great deal of work and effort had gone in to achieving that for many more years before.

However no SL club ,no matter how well run is no match against dodgy developers backed up by controlling politicians .

Edited July 16, 2024 by Agbrigg

[Harry Stottle]

15 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

In all fairness Wakefield were very pro active in getting a new stadium sorted for the last 20 years in SL. It was 2010 when they got planning passed to build a new stadium at Newmarket, which is a long time ago. Plus a great deal of work and effort had gone in to achieving that for many more years before.

However no SL club ,no matter how well run is no match against dodgy developers backed up by controlling politicians .

That must be a culture thing (highlighted) Agbrigg either side of the Pennines, on the West side all SL clubs Warrington, Salford, Saints, Wigan and Leigh are in New Stadiums on a different footprint to what was their previous homes for many many years.

[dboy]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Just reading your comments dboy, it is very easy to laugh at people when you are on the way up, then there those who are humble when they come into a bit of brass and thankful for what has been done for them previously when they were struggling, but beware if your fortunes change.

I think you are being a little too sensitive Harry.

Fevrover and I were both clearly just having a friendly, cheeky giggle.

It was all in good nature and I can assure you that Wakey fans are thankful for where we are now (and hopefully where we are heading), and take nothing for granted.