IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[LeeF]

22 minutes ago, dkw said:

3rd time in several years. As much as I have sympathy with their fans, well the ones who deserve it, not the cretins who revelled in Towns plight a few years back and enjoyed raking players from us, they haven't been well ran and have been bailed out by sponsors and private investors quite a few times rather than living within their means. They have had 7 or 8 overseas players this year, still bringing players in rather than pay the locals they owe wages to.

They really needed to accept the reality of the situation and plan realistically instead of burying their heads. 

It has been a catalogue of errors and chasing unrealistic dreams over a number of years. Overly optimistic aims and ambitions together with trying to survive in the Championship.

I understand the overseas player signings as they are probably cheaper than signing out of area UK players and there aren’t enough locals to service both clubs even at L1 level. The latest signings are just an attempt to get a team on the field for the remaining matches. 

Going forwards I just can’t see a future and definitely not anything medium let alone long term. That’s the reality of the situation. 

[Tommygilf]

2 hours ago, Spidey said:

Isn’t it only £24k. £14k salaries plus £10k tax bill?

How many times is this for Whitehaven now?

 

1 hour ago, LeeF said:

£24k makes the point even more valid. 

Second time in less than 12 months. As I have posted before they are unlikely be around in 3 years time.

Indeed, it only makes it worse

[Tommygilf]

2 hours ago, sentoffagain2 said:

  I think Tommygilf could be on Mastermind,IMG seems to be his favourite subject.

Nah I'm still a good 230 posts behind @Harry Stottle on this thread. 

[Harry Stottle]

3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Nah I'm still a good 230 posts behind @Harry Stottle on this thread. 

Am I famous then or infamous?

[Tommygilf]

36 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Am I famous then or infamous?

You're getting the thread IMG points!

[stookie]

20 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

You're getting the thread IMG points!

But he could post so much more, so he loses points on utilisation.

[Trojan Horse]

More for the engagement and community side but this is an impressive story for Trinity PDRL team. 
 

 

[KiwiRL]

No one gives a toss about league one. Championship isn't much better. A strong French rugby league is a mirage sadly. 

It's all ######.

Pick the best 13 clubs along the M62 + London.

14 teams, home and away round robin, top 6 play offs. Season done. Simple. 

No more promotion/relegation ######. No super 8 gimmick rubbish. No loop bs. Bin magic. Streamline the game and build a sustainable model.

British RL economy can barely sustain 10+ teams and you're trying to maintain a 30+ team pyramid. Absurd.

 

 

 

 

[Wakefield Ram]

22 minutes ago, KiwiRL said:

No one gives a toss about league one. Championship isn't much better. A strong French rugby league is a mirage sadly. 

It's all ######.

Pick the best 13 clubs along the M62 + London.

14 teams, home and away round robin, top 6 play offs. Season done. Simple. 

No more promotion/relegation ######. No super 8 gimmick rubbish. No loop bs. Bin magic. Streamline the game and build a sustainable model.

British RL economy can barely sustain 10+ teams and you're trying to maintain a 30+ team pyramid. Absurd.

 

 

 

 

I think the other 13 clubs would baulk at having to pay for a coach all the way to London. 14 clubs along the M62 is ideal. 

[KiwiRL]

1 minute ago, Wakefield Ram said:

I think the other 13 clubs would baulk at having to pay for a coach all the way to London. 14 clubs along the M62 is ideal. 

Even that'll do.

It's regression for sure, but you need something sustainable.

[Harry Stottle]

8 hours ago, KiwiRL said:

No one gives a toss about league one. Championship isn't much better. A strong French rugby league is a mirage sadly. 

It's all ######.

Pick the best 13 clubs along the M62 + London.

14 teams, home and away round robin, top 6 play offs. Season done. Simple. 

No more promotion/relegation ######. No super 8 gimmick rubbish. No loop bs. Bin magic. Streamline the game and build a sustainable model.

British RL economy can barely sustain 10+ teams and you're trying to maintain a 30+ team pyramid. Absurd.

 

 

 

 

We can't support 14 clubs either financially or available players.

[Agbrigg]

8 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

We can't support 14 clubs either financially or available players.

Course we can. If a current SL side is unable to survive on  the difference this will make to their funding, they should step aside and allow another club to take their place. I am sure plenty would be happy to step up.

[Harry Stottle]

34 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Course we can. If a current SL side is unable to survive on  the difference this will make to their funding, they should step aside and allow another club to take their place. I am sure plenty would be happy to step up.

And players?

[Dave T]

21 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

And players?

We do have more than 14 teams at the moment, so we can find players. It's all a question of preference as to where people see the cutoff in terms of quality. But really we could make an argument for any number, 8, 10, 12, 14+

[The Blues Ox]

18 hours ago, KiwiRL said:

No one gives a toss about league one. Championship isn't much better. A strong French rugby league is a mirage sadly. 

It's all ######.

Pick the best 13 clubs along the M62 + London.

14 teams, home and away round robin, top 6 play offs. Season done. Simple. 

No more promotion/relegation ######. No super 8 gimmick rubbish. No loop bs. Bin magic. Streamline the game and build a sustainable model.

British RL economy can barely sustain 10+ teams and you're trying to maintain a 30+ team pyramid. Absurd.

We can barely support 10 teams but you want to expand to 14 teams?

As has been said a million times, greedy SL chairman would not vote for an expansion of the league which would mean a reduction in funding and then we also do not have enough quality players to fill 14 full time clubs.

On the plus side it would mean that the Championship could stay at 14 teams instead of the ridiculous situation we will see over the next couple of years.

[sheddingswasus]

59 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

We can barely support 10 teams but you want to expand to 14 teams?

It is so simple. The funding is reduced and the clubs work hard to bring in spectators, sponsorship and other sales (merchandise, match day income) etc, rather than just living on handouts. 

Edited August 13 by sheddingswasus

[gingerjon]

3 minutes ago, sheddingswasus said:

It is so simple. The funding is reduced and the clubs work hard to bring in spectators, sponsorship and other sales (merchandise, match day income) etc, rather than just living on handouts. 

It's a Super League TV deal that sustains central funding.

The handouts are when it goes to things outside Super League.

(And, obviously, it should go outside Super League but it's the clubs inside Super League who are earning that money.)

[Harry Stottle]

2 hours ago, Dave T said:

We do have more than 14 teams at the moment, so we can find players. It's all a question of preference as to where people see the cutoff in terms of quality. But really we could make an argument for any number, 8, 10, 12, 14+

I think we are exhausting the pool of quality at 12 teams, 14 in my opinion would be a step to far.

[phiggins]

11 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

It's a Super League TV deal that sustains central funding.

The handouts are when it goes to things outside Super League.

(And, obviously, it should go outside Super League but it's the clubs inside Super League who are earning that money.)

I think this is a bad take. Super league needs a strong system beneath it. Any money passed down to semi pro or amateur ranks is earned as clubs use it to maintain operations that Super League clubs are happy enough to use when developing players either through loan or dual reg systems

[gingerjon]

6 minutes ago, phiggins said:

I think this is a bad take. Super league needs a strong system beneath it. Any money passed down to semi pro or amateur ranks is earned as clubs use it to maintain operations that Super League clubs are happy enough to use when developing players either through loan or dual reg systems

It's a pointed reply to someone using the term handout.

And I do think the money should be shared.

[Harry Stottle]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

It's a pointed reply to someone using the term handout.

And I do think the money should be shared.

  But that is not the way many believe even high profile SL owners who have stated SL clubs earn the money and it should be kept within SL, what a short sighted view.

[phiggins]

34 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

It's a pointed reply to someone using the term handout.

And I do think the money should be shared.

Fair dos. Sorry for the misunderstanding 

[The Blues Ox]

1 hour ago, sheddingswasus said:

It is so simple. The funding is reduced and the clubs work hard to bring in spectators, sponsorship and other sales (merchandise, match day income) etc, rather than just living on handouts. 

They would never go for it and now we are too far down the rabbit hole with the cake getting smaller and smaller that it will be hard to come back from it.

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

2 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

We can barely support 10 teams but you want to expand to 14 teams?

As has been said a million times, greedy SL chairman would not vote for an expansion of the league which would mean a reduction in funding and then we also do not have enough quality players to fill 14 full time clubs.

On the plus side it would mean that the Championship could stay at 14 teams instead of the ridiculous situation we will see over the next couple of years.

Soon, it could be argued,  there will be even less players for the current superleague teams. Because at last Oldham has woken up to the talent drain. Now we're seeing more local lads wanting to stay home, rather than go to other clubs.

[Dave T]

2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

  But that is not the way many believe even high profile SL owners who have stated SL clubs earn the money and it should be kept within SL, what a short sighted view.

You say this, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone champion 0% SL funding flowing down to lower divisions. And SL clubs have never cut them off despite having the power to. 

Do you have any evidence of your claim? 

Edited August 13 by Dave T