Rochdale Hornets.

[Derwent]

1 hour ago, homeandawayer said:

But it's gone to sh*t since we brought in overseas players.

I think that’s just a coincidence really. Even before that we had only won 2 properly competitive fixtures, the other 2 wins being as close to gimmes as you’ll get at this level. And don’t forget we were absolutely diabolical in the first half at Newcastle. Beating Newcastle and Cornwall papered over the cracks a bit.

We were missing Walker, Burns and Henson today and of course all 3 are good players at this level. But it shows the lack of talent depth in the squad if we are going to fall apart whenever they are missing. Plus I don’t think having a half-back pairing with a combined age of 76 does us any favours in terms of tempo.

[homeandawayer]

6 minutes ago, Derwent said:

I think that’s just a coincidence really. Even before that we had only won 2 properly competitive fixtures, the other 2 wins being as close to gimmes as you’ll get at this level. And don’t forget we were absolutely diabolical in the first half at Newcastle. Beating Newcastle and Cornwall papered over the cracks a bit.

We were missing Walker, Burns and Henson today and of course all 3 are good players at this level. But it shows the lack of talent depth in the squad if we are going to fall apart whenever they are missing. Plus I don’t think having a half-back pairing with a combined age of 76 does us any favours in terms of tempo.

Absolutely. We weren't diabolical at Hunslet like we were today. We'd have to be a very poor team for that to be our level as you describe it. I hope you're wrong on that and I believe we were much better than that when we beat Haven. Something has gone drastically wrong in the last two games coincidence or not, it certainly hasn't got better. 

[Joe 90]

3 hours ago, Derwent said:

It’s also this peculiar thing that no other club has where we are obsessed with the team being local lads. Quite honestly, we have a fair few locals in this squad who aren’t up to this level. I’m sure they’re good lads and all that but out of their depth as RL players. 
We talk about building a team by developing young local players but it never happens and is pretty impossible to do anyway seeing how contracts work in the modern game. 

Hornets have had some criticisms in the last few weeks for not fielding local lads.  Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made. Its not  nice for the lads affected but by and large they either take the learning and become better players or they move on. 

[Neutralfan7]

Seen a couple mention about things going wrong since beating Haven, I really wouldn't use that as a yardstick, whilst it was a win it was still pre-season. I know Town were missing quite a few today and it might of just been a bad day at the office, I wouldn't be making any rash decisions such as saying the coach should go or it's because of the new signings. Rochdale has always been a tough place to go, with a full team or not, it'll of been a disappointing loss today but sometimes they just happen in sport and got to take it on the chin and re-group for the next game.

No doubt I'll probably get some sort of stick for this post but stick with it and I'm sure your results will turn round.

[anok4u]

17 minutes ago, Neutralfan7 said:

Seen a couple mention about things going wrong since beating Haven, I really wouldn't use that as a yardstick, whilst it was a win it was still pre-season. I know Town were missing quite a few today and it might of just been a bad day at the office, I wouldn't be making any rash decisions such as saying the coach should go or it's because of the new signings. Rochdale has always been a tough place to go, with a full team or not, it'll of been a disappointing loss today but sometimes they just happen in sport and got to take it on the chin and re-group for the next game.

No doubt I'll probably get some sort of stick for this post but stick with it and I'm sure your results will turn round.

Stick because you talk bull, you don't watch town, you don't care about town but always appear with your fake wise words.

[UTT]

Dont feel like we can blame murry its down to the players on the day to pull together as a team and win and the overseas players have only played two games so we need to give them a chance, but agreed we are missing some key player at the moment

[The Voodooguru]

To me the biggest disappointment of the last two games is that both Midlands & Rochdale to use Muzzas phrase "ran harder and tackled harder".  So it's not a skill deficiency it's an attitude problem. The lazy feckers need a rocket up them if they are not trying hard enough.  Not acceptable! 

[The Voodooguru]

Oops double post

Edited May 20, 2024 by The Voodooguru

[The Voodooguru]

Treble post wtf!

Edited May 20, 2024 by The Voodooguru

[Hate the rec]

Is there a parrot in the house

[dkw]

I agree with Voodoo all three times, the attitude is all wrong at the moment, could tell after 10 minutes in the Midlands game they werent fired up for it, and unfortunately thats all down to the coach, thats a major part of his role.

[old un]

For probably the first time in a few years we had well over twenty players contracted to cover all eventualities..???

[DocH]

We didn't create much against Midlands then lose 75% of our genuine play-makers in a completely unsettled team. I'm surprised folk are surprised at the result. Hard work and effort alone simply isn't enough to win matches. We're in a mess right now and without an added blend of skillful players its not going to change.

[dkw]

46 minutes ago, DocH said:

We didn't create much against Midlands then lose 75% of our genuine play-makers in a completely unsettled team. I'm surprised folk are surprised at the result. Hard work and effort alone simply isn't enough to win matches. We're in a mess right now and without an added blend of skillful players its not going to change.

You say that, but it is a large part of it if teams are fairly well matched. Midlands literally just beat us with exactly that, ran harder, tackled harder, played harder and faster. 

[DocH]

47 minutes ago, dkw said:

You say that, but it is a large part of it if teams are fairly well matched. Midlands literally just beat us with exactly that, ran harder, tackled harder, played harder and faster. 

And slowed us down!

I accept that but its the bits of skill and clever/connected plays that will imo ultimately make the difference and the Midlands also had that bit extra ie The Cas player who just walked through our defence at times

[DavidM]

2 hours ago, DocH said:

I'm surprised folk are surprised at the result.

I’m not surprised at the result , but its how you lose . We were awful against Midlands and no way should we be shipping 50 plus to a team with a 50 percent winning record in what is , lets be honest ,  a pretty poor league outside one or two teams . I don’t really see us making much progress forward this season tbh 

[dkw]

3 hours ago, DocH said:

And slowed us down!

I accept that but its the bits of skill and clever/connected plays that will imo ultimately make the difference and the Midlands also had that bit extra ie The Cas player who just walked through our defence at times

He walked through our defence because we were constantly on the back foot in defence as Midlands ran over us though, and we were pinned in our 30/40 in so many sets because of the defensive wins by Midlands. If were on top, as we all expected us to be, then the Cas lad doesnt get that opportunity. It was blatantly obvious the difference in effort and attitude between our teams.

[Nero]

We didn't touch the ball for the first 13 minutes of the game, Rochdale pinned us back deep in our own half & we gave away far too many penalties. Difficult to build any momentum when we're doing nothing but scrambling. Seemed to be a massive lack of confidence to me. Once Rochdale's tails were up, we were just firefighting. Definitely a bad day at the office, we certainly missed JB, MH & CW. 

[DocH]

18 hours ago, dkw said:

 It was blatantly obvious the difference in effort and attitude between our teams.

Thats pretty damning and I don't share your view; think Nero's line is nearer the truth ie Confidence, cohesion and skill levels in an unsettled side.

[bobg]

As much as it pained me greatly I have watched the tries from Sunday, cohesion and confidence is really low, don’t even think we would have been in it if it was touch rugby, line speed close to zero. The coach will do well to turn that performance around.

[bigapple]

Agree on the line speed comment just watched the tries and it's ages after the play the ball that any of our players come into view....up and meet them basics 

[Onreport]

10 hours ago, bigapple said:

Agree on the line speed comment just watched the tries and it's ages after the play the ball that any of our players come into view....up and meet them basics 

 

10 hours ago, bigapple said:

Agree on the line speed comment just watched the tries and it's ages after the play the ball that any of our players come into view....up and meet them basics 

Been an issue all season

[wonky]

Looking at today’s results it looks like Hunslet could be a must win to keep a decent playoff spot alive. With crusaders away followed by Oldham and keighley we could well be in big trouble if we lose to Hunslet. Not getting a playoff place would possibly be the biggest disaster in recent times, definitely since dangerous Dave Rotherham convinced someone he was a rugby coach. I think a change at second row to partner Jake and loose is a must. If Jordan isn’t fit we’re in for another long afternoon at derwent park. Joe has it gone so wrong since beating Rochdale and Hunslet and looking like the only team who could cause Oldham and keighley problems  

Edited May 26, 2024 by wonky

[wonky]

On 23/05/2024 at 07:55, Onreport said:

 

Been an issue all season

Been an issue for about 10 years 

[Unicorn 106]

Crusaders win their game in hand and we are 3rd bottom with some tough fixtures coming up. I don’t think any of us expected that, but maybe we should have looking back at last season. A Home win against Hunslet on Sunday is a must.