Sheffield

[RP London]

Just now, JM2010 said:

That’s good to hear. It’s probably easier to develop juniors clubs in Sheffield than other expansion areas as they don’t have too far to travel for games. 
How many clubs are there in Sheffield and South Yorkshire?

to be honest I am not sure any more I've got myself more involved day to day with Sheffield Tigers RU as my kids play there and I'm coaching there. We did have an RL side playing out of it that my son played for the last couple of years so played a few. It depends how far you want to go really... 

Sherwood

Bassetlaw

Dodworth

Forgers

Hillsbrough

off the top of my head but there are then some out more towards Doncaster which may fall more under their catchment etc.. 

[JM2010]

2 minutes ago, RP London said:

to be honest I am not sure any more I've got myself more involved day to day with Sheffield Tigers RU as my kids play there and I'm coaching there. We did have an RL side playing out of it that my son played for the last couple of years so played a few. It depends how far you want to go really... 

Sherwood

Bassetlaw

Dodworth

Forgers

Hillsbrough

off the top of my head but there are then some out more towards Doncaster which may fall more under their catchment etc.. 

Thanks. Do Hoyland and Dearne Valley still have a team?

[RP London]

7 minutes ago, JM2010 said:

Thanks. Do Hoyland and Dearne Valley still have a team?

seniors yes I think so.. Dearne Valley have a juniors, yes forgot my son played against them.. not sure about Hoyland. 

[JM2010]

55 minutes ago, RP London said:

seniors yes I think so.. Dearne Valley have a juniors, yes forgot my son played against them.. not sure about Hoyland. 

So probably around 5 in Sheffield, Barnsley and Rotherham. Plenty of space for more though. 
I alway thought clubs like Castleford and Wakefield should do some development work down in South Yorkshire, especially if they both run an academy as the Wakefield district is quite saturated with junior clubs and there’s lots of clubs scouting for their academies like Leeds. A new player pool would help when signing academy players 

[The Blues Ox]

2 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

The delay is to allow all sides to prepare thoroughly for the hearing. There's nothing suspicious going on at all.

Its obviously very serious for the action that has been taken and its pretty easy to put one and one together and come up with the answer that it is down to compliance surrounding concussion protocols or related. You also have to wonder if this could lead to a criminal investigation depending on the severity of it.

[Rene_Artois]

2 hours ago, RP London said:

to be honest I am not sure any more I've got myself more involved day to day with Sheffield Tigers RU as my kids play there and I'm coaching there. We did have an RL side playing out of it that my son played for the last couple of years so played a few. It depends how far you want to go really... 

Sherwood

Bassetlaw

Dodworth

Forgers

Hillsbrough

off the top of my head but there are then some out more towards Doncaster which may fall more under their catchment etc.. 

This was kind of my point. All of the focus seems to be on Sheffield. Doncaster are already involved in coaching and development in 2 of those clubs. Sick to death of listening to people putting all faith in Sheffield when South Yorkshire's other city club are already invested in the wider community. It gets annoying.

Of that list Dodworth and Bassetlaw btw. 

Edited October 3 by Rene_Artois

[SUPERSTUD]

3 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

Its obviously very serious for the action that has been taken and its pretty easy to put one and one together and come up with the answer that it is down to compliance surrounding concussion protocols or related. You also have to wonder if this could lead to a criminal investigation depending on the severity of it.

The outcome of this particular case could set a future precedence no matter what the ultimate result is. My gut feeling is that something potentially very serious has gone on here. I repeat potentially. Time is required with a view to reaching the correct result.

 

[RP London]

18 hours ago, JM2010 said:

So probably around 5 in Sheffield, Barnsley and Rotherham. Plenty of space for more though. 
I alway thought clubs like Castleford and Wakefield should do some development work down in South Yorkshire, especially if they both run an academy as the Wakefield district is quite saturated with junior clubs and there’s lots of clubs scouting for their academies like Leeds. A new player pool would help when signing academy players 

It's something I mention on another thread that super league clubs should be given development areas (assigned by the RFL) to set up structures and academies to basically farm the areas.. would help expansion of talent and interest, give people in new areas super league teams to get behind (helps with buy in) and eventually may lead to viable league one clubs all over the country. 

[RP London]

17 hours ago, Rene_Artois said:

This was kind of my point. All of the focus seems to be on Sheffield. Doncaster are already involved in coaching and development in 2 of those clubs. Sick to death of listening to people putting all faith in Sheffield when South Yorkshire's other city club are already invested in the wider community. It gets annoying.

Of that list Dodworth and Bassetlaw btw. 

Wow, interesting take on a topic about Sheffield where people are asking about Sheffield's work

I don't think Doncaster and Sheffield are in competition, complete opposite in fact it is best for them to work together in this.. 

I see people asking about Sheffield as it's a genuine interest in a team that won a challenge cup in 98, have developed into a top end champ team and do get some publicity. I never see people on the same thread knocking anything Doncaster are doing or denigrating them. If anything the things you have mentioned are often brought up to show south Yorkshire as a whole is a developing area...

Dodworth have been mentioned for some time as a "satellite" club  (or whatever that group of clubs is called) by Sheffield.. and they go and coach there and bring the club to eagles for session AFAIK.. 1 amateur/junior club can interact with more than 1 "pro" club..

Edited October 4 by RP London

[sheddingswasus]

17 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

It’s obviously very serious for the action that has been taken and it’s pretty easy to put one and one together and come up with the answer that it is down to compliance surrounding concussion protocols or related. You also have to wonder if this could lead to a criminal investigation depending on the severity of it.

Clearly something is wrong. Head Coach / owner suspended, assistant coach of 10 years leaves, other back room staff leave. Maybe this is another of the clubs the RFL have worries over, along with with Whitehaven, Halifax, London etc. 

Edited October 4 by sheddingswasus

[RP London]

57 minutes ago, sheddingswasus said:

Clearly something is wrong. Head Coach / owner suspended, assistant coach of 10 years leaves, other back room staff leave. Maybe this is another of the clubs the RFL have worries over, along with with Whitehaven, Halifax, London etc. 

Coaches leave for any number of reasons, media ops people getting better jobs in a competitive world after a number of years at 1 employer... Loads of things can be read 2 different ways. 

The head coach issue is a concern for sure, he may yet be found to have some nothing wrong, but I agree it's not good. 

It could be Keith left as Mark Aston has said no matter what he will stand down as coach etc. we don't know as yet 

There are positives at Sheffield the key is that it isn't just Aston or bust for the club. I cannot recall the details but I believe the guy involved at Sheffield FC has some influence in the club which may show more stability than we perceive. 

There are a lot of Ifs and Buts that we just need to see ride out IMHO

[Griff]

1 hour ago, sheddingswasus said:

Clearly something is wrong. Head Coach / owner suspended, assistant coach of 10 years leaves, other back room staff leave. Maybe this is another of the clubs the RFL have worries over, along with with Whitehaven, Halifax, London etc. 

The owner isn't suspended.  Whilst Mark Aston owns some shares, his holding is less than 0.7% of the issued share capital.  Or, put another way, the club's share capital is 99.3% owned by other people.

"Other backroom staff" are two brothers who take photos and videos at matches.  They did a decent job but it's hardly going to affect the stability of the club.

Some folk don't have enough excitement in their lives and need to make stuff up.

[sheddingswasus]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

The owner isn't suspended.  Whilst Mark Aston owns some shares, his holding is less than 0.7% of the issued share capital.  Or, put another way, the club's share capital is 99.3% owned by other people.

"Other backroom staff" are two brothers who take photos and videos at matches.  They did a decent job but it's hardly going to affect the stability of the club.

Some folk don't have enough excitement in their lives and need to make stuff up.

Fair comment . I only commented based on reading all the stuff I had read and what it looks to an outsider. 

[Agbrigg]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

 

"Other backroom staff" are two brothers who take photos and videos at matches.  They did a decent job but it's hardly going to affect the stability of the club.

 

I really hope the club can sort this out. However something seems to have affected the stability of the club the way the teams performance has gone into free fall. 

[Eddie]

22 hours ago, JM2010 said:

So probably around 5 in Sheffield, Barnsley and Rotherham. Plenty of space for more though. 
I alway thought clubs like Castleford and Wakefield should do some development work down in South Yorkshire, especially if they both run an academy as the Wakefield district is quite saturated with junior clubs and there’s lots of clubs scouting for their academies like Leeds. A new player pool would help when signing academy players 

Plenty of space for more, though as with all clubs you need plenty of people to run them, and clearly they’re thin on the ground. 

[Tommygilf]

3 hours ago, Agbrigg said:

I really hope the club can sort this out. However something seems to have affected the stability of the club the way the teams performance has gone into free fall. 

Dare I suggest that it's in Aston's interests to see the club be less successful without him?

[Stirlin]

5 hours ago, Agbrigg said:

I really hope the club can sort this out. However something seems to have affected the stability of the club the way the teams performance has gone into free fall. 

20th of Sept York only just pipped them 24 - 26 , this was A.Thackery's first game back after injury and his last home game before retirement so the fight was still there then.

[Griff]

14 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Dare I suggest that it's in Aston's interests to see the club be less successful without him?

I vote yes.

Because you have done.

[Tommygilf]

Has the hearing happened?

[Griff]

1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

Has the hearing happened?

No.

[mozzauk]

The hearing was today, but there has been no news as yet on the outcome of it, or if it has been put on hold.. 

 

Unless anyone knows better...

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

12 minutes ago, mozzauk said:

The hearing was today, but there has been no news as yet on the outcome of it, or if it has been put on hold.. 

 

Unless anyone knows better...

I don't think that the outcomes are always announced immediately. There's also the possibility that the presiding judge(s) may want to go away and consider all the evidence that's been presented before giving a verdict.

[mozzauk]

I think that is the worry we all have that it will drag on... 

 

But we live in hope of RFL efficiency 

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

2 hours ago, mozzauk said:

I think that is the worry we all have that it will drag on... 

 

But we live in hope of RFL efficiency 

The hearing will be being held under essentially the same rules as an English court of law. RFL efficiency, or not, will have no bearing on the time taken for the arguments to be heard or a verdict to be reached.

Edited October 17 by Les Tonks Sidestep

[RayCee]

1 hour ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

The heating will be being held under essentially the same rules as an English court of law. RFL efficiency, or not, will have no bearing on the time taken for the arguments to be heard or a verdict to be reached.

And I always found courts cold places, not that I frequent them that often.