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gingerjon

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10 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

You can do exactly what you like. You seem to be accusing me of lying. I am not lying, and if it were appropriate to tell you I would happily do so.

Not lying, but some understanding of why you'd not use IMG's expertise based on what has happened in your experience with them, would be helpful.

Because all that's coming across is a repeated joke about interns and social media hits, and a statement that you'd use them for broadcast deals (as the RFL has in the past) but not for their sports strategy work, for which they are employed by plenty of sports bigger than rugby league. But no reasoning why.

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Just my opinion but I think it is starting to have an effect. I think the grading process forced the clubs to have a good look at themselves and all seem to have responded to varying degrees.

gingerjon
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Obviously, needs merging with the IMG thread. Equally obviously: IMG are having a positive impact on rugby league. Equally equally obviously: there is a long way to go. Equally equally

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And if Matt Ellis hadn't arrived with his money? The "business model" of having hugely wealthy benefactors is a risky one. I think Trinity being in the Championship was an opportunity to relaunch

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Exiled Wiganer

Exiled Wiganer

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Just now, dkw said:

Do others get angry as you claim, or are you projecting?

This particular poster wrote that he did, so I took him at his word. Which is not projecting. I knew I shouldn’t have used that word. Sorry to have confused you. 

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Exiled Wiganer

Exiled Wiganer

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Just now, gingerjon said:

Not lying, but some understanding of why you'd not use IMG's expertise based on what has happened in your experience with them, would be helpful.

Because all that's coming across is a repeated joke about interns and social media hits, and a statement that you'd use them for broadcast deals (as the RFL has in the past) but not for their sports strategy work, for which they are employed by plenty of sports bigger than rugby league. But no reasoning why.

I wrote a note earlier this afternoon which provides the context, and reasoning. Surely you read all of it, rather than simply the part you accused me of making up? 

Having re read your post, it looks rather like you are accusing me of lying. I am not. 

gingerjon

gingerjon

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Just now, Exiled Wiganer said:

I wrote a note earlier this afternoon which provides the context, and reasoning.

The one I responded to or another one? Apologies if I've missed one with some explanation.

To cover a point you also keep making: the sport very obviously does not best how to sell itself or else we wouldn't have seen two decades of total contraction, which is what we have seen.

I'd rather we didn't have to bring in IMG. But if it wasn't IMG then it would have to be someone else - we can't afford another wasted decade like the past ten years.

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Damien

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1 hour ago, dkw said:

Wheras you lose it if anyone dares to say anything other than negativity towards it, no idea why, it seems disproportionate and may be healthy.

I don't think that anyone that is broadly supportive of the IMG process, or the need for something along those lines, believes that everything around it is 100% okay and that there aren't faults. I see everyone that is dismissed as an IMG lover acknowledge these faults time and again but see the bigger picture. I don't think that seems to apply the other way around and anything IMG is simply twisted to be bad no matter what.

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14 minutes ago, Damien said:

I don't think that anyone that is broadly supportive of the IMG process, or the need for something along those lines, believes that everything around it is 100% okay and that there aren't faults. I see everyone that is dismissed as an IMG lover acknowledge these faults time and again but see the bigger picture. I don't think that seems to apply the other way around and anything IMG is simply twisted to be bad no matter what.

Nuance and RL forums seem to be a poor mix.

Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change.

Damien

Damien

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19 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

Well, yes. I'm pretty sure it is always my side that is the reasonable and rational one.

This outlook pretty much sums it up. Why should there be sides? Again this type of viewpoint seems to be held exclusively by those very much anti IMG and ignores the fact that it is far more nuanced than that.

I am supportive of the process because I think something needs to change and the game needs to do far better in just about every area. I'm not even sure if its the road I would go down and there is plenty I would do differently. Indeed my preference would be far different. I am certainly not on the side of a billion pound corporation. It is though better than nothing.

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9 minutes ago, Damien said:

This outlook pretty much sums it up. Why should there be sides? Again this type of viewpoint seems to be held exclusively by those very much anti IMG ...

Is this irony?

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LeeF

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1 hour ago, Damien said:

I don't think that anyone that is broadly supportive of the IMG process, or the need for something along those lines, believes that everything around it is 100% okay and that there aren't faults. I see everyone that is dismissed as an IMG lover acknowledge these faults time and again but see the bigger picture. I don't think that seems to apply the other way around and anything IMG is simply twisted to be bad no matter what.

IMG lover is so last season. IMG Ultra is the new term. 

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The Future is League

The Future is League

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6 hours ago, LeeF said:

Do you actually understand cash flow? Based on your posts I suspect not

Obviously the Red Devils don't.

Apart from the Red Devils can you name another Super League club who have asked for an advance of their TV money for the 2025 season?

LeeF

LeeF

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8 hours ago, The Future is League said:

I do, but you don't with your defence of the Red Devils

Evidence based ion your postings indicate that you don’t know what you are on about.

BTW still waiting for the evidence that Salford lied

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LeeF

LeeF

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8 hours ago, The Future is League said:

Obviously the Red Devils don't.

Apart from the Red Devils can you name another Super League club who have asked for an advance of their TV money for the 2025 season?

You don’t. Salford may do.
 

The second paragraph is you moving the goalposts again and is irrelevant 

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Just Browny

Just Browny

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Everyone's a bit het up on here. I reckon a bit of a walk around the reservoir and some fresh air would do some folk good.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

The Future is League

The Future is League

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43 minutes ago, LeeF said:

Evidence based ion your postings indicate that you don’t know what you are on about.

BTW still waiting for the evidence that Salford lied

But I do and that's why your clearly struggling.

It's impossible to think that the Red Devils didn't know that their finances were a mess and surely the club accountant would have been aware of them wouldn't they?

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The Future is League

The Future is League

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49 minutes ago, LeeF said:

You don’t. Salford may do.
 

The second paragraph is you moving the goalposts again and is irrelevant 

How is the 2nd paragraph moving the goalposts? It's a question that's easy to answer with a 2 minute research. So do your research and then come back on this forum and tell us apart from the Red Devils which Super League clubs have asked for a advance in their TV money for the 2025 season?

 

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LeeF

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14 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

But I do and that's why your clearly struggling.

It's impossible to think that the Red Devils didn't know that their finances were a mess and surely the club accountant would have been aware of them wouldn't they?

So you don’t have any evidence. Thanks for finally confirming. 

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Tommygilf

Tommygilf

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36 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

So there we have there is no evidence apart from the Red Devils that no other Super League clubs want their TV money in advance, which tells even a ninnyhammer that their finances were and are a mess.

Again, that's why they scored so lowly for their finances...

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gingerjon

gingerjon

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43 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

So there we have there is no evidence apart from the Red Devils that no other Super League clubs want their TV money in advance, which tells even a ninnyhammer that their finances were and are a mess.

So, with that in mind, what score would you have given them for the financial section, and what then would have been their overall score?

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Bedfordshire Bronco

Bedfordshire Bronco

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15 hours ago, Damien said:

This outlook pretty much sums it up. Why should there be sides? Again this type of viewpoint seems to be held exclusively by those very much anti IMG and ignores the fact that it is far more nuanced than that

You do realise this is a forum don't you Damien? 

I.e. differing opinions 

Bedfordshire Bronco

Bedfordshire Bronco

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1 hour ago, The Future is League said:

So there we have there is no evidence apart from the Red Devils that no other Super League clubs want their TV money in advance, which tells even a ninnyhammer that their finances were and are a mess.

What's a ninnyhammer? 

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