Eddie Hearn talking SL again......

[PREPOSTEROUS]

1 hour ago, Just Browny said:

Sports Personality of the Year 2024 shortlist was:

• Jude Bellingham (football)  

• Keely Hodgkinson (athletics)  

• Luke Littler (darts)  

• Joe Root (cricket)  

• Dame Sarah Storey (para cycling)  

• Alex Yee (triathlon)  

I'd be surprised if any of those were on terrestrial TV more than half a dozen times live all year.

I know three of these. 

[Wakefield Ram]

1 hour ago, Just Browny said:

Sports Personality of the Year 2024 shortlist was:

• Jude Bellingham (football)  

• Keely Hodgkinson (athletics)  

• Luke Littler (darts)  

• Joe Root (cricket)  

• Dame Sarah Storey (para cycling)  

• Alex Yee (triathlon)  

I'd be surprised if any of those were on terrestrial TV more than half a dozen times live all year.

Luke Littler was all over the news, so appeared far more than half a dozen times, as did all the others appearing at major sporting events like Euros and Olympics. It's not just the event, it's news reports, interviews etc...

Everyone of these got more terrestrial TV coverage time than the whole sport of RL, which only appears on Challenge Cup final day and the Samoa series.

 

[gingerjon]

Just now, Wakefield Ram said:

Everyone of these got more terrestrial TV coverage time than the whole sport of RL, which only appears on Challenge Cup final day and the Samoa series.

So that's three match days. Plus the BBC Super League live games. Plus the Challenge Cup games that weren't the final. Plus the women's international. And the other men's international. And the Super League highlights.

Keely Hodgkinson would have to run a lot of 800m races to match that - and the BBC don't prioritise Diamond League coverage, so it seems unlikely.

 

[Just Browny]

6 minutes ago, Wakefield Ram said:

Luke Littler was all over the news, so appeared far more than half a dozen times, as did all the others appearing at major sporting events like Euros and Olympics. It's not just the event, it's news reports, interviews etc...

Everyone of these got more terrestrial TV coverage time than the whole sport of RL, which only appears on Challenge Cup final day and the Samoa series.

 

 

Simply made up. I think a Wigan player who also appeared for England or Samoa would have appeared 11 or 12 times live on the BBC in 2024.

[Just Browny]

24 minutes ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

I know three of these. 

OK.

[Dave T]

20 minutes ago, Wakefield Ram said:

 

Everyone of these got more terrestrial TV coverage time than the whole sport of RL, which only appears on Challenge Cup final day and the Samoa series.

 

 

I assume you don't really follow RL?

[JohnM]

Eddie Hearn story. Talk about people building a house of cards on a sandy foundation in a howling gale.

[Wakefield Ram]

1 hour ago, Just Browny said:

Simply made up. I think a Wigan player who also appeared for England or Samoa would have appeared 11 or 12 times live on the BBC in 2024.

Well he should be as famous as Luke Littler then......

[Wakefield Ram]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

So that's three match days. Plus the BBC Super League live games. Plus the Challenge Cup games that weren't the final. Plus the women's international. And the other men's international. And the Super League highlights.

Keely Hodgkinson would have to run a lot of 800m races to match that - and the BBC don't prioritise Diamond League coverage, so it seems unlikely.

 

Well RL players should be more famous and well known than an Olympic gold medal winner then.....

[Just Browny]

Just now, Wakefield Ram said:

Well he should be as famous as Luke Littler then......

No, because your initial dim-witted premise that terrestrial telly is the only path to fame was plain wrong.

[sweaty craiq]

1 minute ago, Just Browny said:

No, because your initial dim-witted premise that terrestrial telly is the only path to fame was plain wrong.

It is for RL as we are ignored in the papers and have shocking Sky coverage that constantly plays the sport down, if only BBC can get some cameramen and commentators 

[gingerjon]

8 minutes ago, Wakefield Ram said:

Well RL players should be more famous and well known than an Olympic gold medal winner then.....

Pages from Ceefax should be the most popular TV show of all time because it had six hours of terrestial TV every day?

[JohnM]

Question of Sport.

Would I lie to You

Strictly Come Dancing

Match of the Day

I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here

Pointless

The Weakest Link

Celebrity Mastermind

Celebrity University Challenge

Celebrity Antiques Road Trip

These are the places but not the only places, where our "stars" need to be seen frequently and regularly to make any lasting impression on a wider public, in my view, covering a certain age group who watch these progs on scheduled TV on a regular basis 

Moving down the age groups, what progs, channels, outlets do the under 30s watch?  Love Island? Big Brother? Made in Chelsea type progs? 

 

 

Edited January 12 by JohnM

[Just Browny]

16 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

It is for RL as we are ignored in the papers and have shocking Sky coverage that constantly plays the sport down, if only BBC can get some cameramen and commentators 

Having the BBC coverage is great and we benefit hugely from it. The coverage itself is also very good and generally miles better than what we put up with in the 1990s, although admittedly the red button Super League stuff towards the end of the year was poor.

I won't steal GJ's normal line but we probably enjoy the most domestic coverage on terrestrial TV of any sport.

[Just Browny]

4 minutes ago, JohnM said:

 

Moving down the age groups, what progs, channels, outlets do the under 30s watch?  Love Island? Big Brother? Made in Chelsea type progs? 

 

 

Mr Beast, Speed, some bloke watching another bloke playing Fortnite.

[sam4731]

5 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Mr Beast, Speed, some bloke watching another bloke playing Fortnite.

Someone unboxing MrBeast playing Fortnite?

[Leigh-On-Kiwi]

12 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Mr Beast, Speed, some bloke watching another bloke playing Fortnite.

Funny you say that, Speed was out here in New Zealand a couple of months ago and was training/filming with the Warriors. 

[sheddingswasus]

3 hours ago, JohnM said:

Question of Sport.

Would I lie to You

Strictly Come Dancing

Match of the Day

I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here

Pointless

The Weakest Link

Celebrity Mastermind

Celebrity University Challenge

Celebrity Antiques Road Trip

These are the places but not the only places, where our "stars" need to be seen frequently and regularly to make any lasting impression on a wider public, in my view, covering a certain age group who watch these progs on scheduled TV on a regular basis 

Moving down the age groups, what progs, channels, outlets do the under 30s watch?  Love Island? Big Brother? Made in Chelsea type progs? 

 

 

Exactly the same thoughts as I was having. The players agents have a part to play in this. Why are they not pushing their clients. What about a player in I’m a celebrity get me out of here. Off season and top publicity.

But the core be problem is IMG. Gaining extra IMG points here and there is not a realistic solution to push the game. These are one pushing projects.

Someone like Hearn is needed to revamp the game. 

[Damien]

2 minutes ago, sheddingswasus said:

Exactly the same thoughts as I was having. The players agents have a part to play in this. Why are they not pushing their clients. What about a player in I’m a celebrity get me out of here. Off season and top publicity.

But the core be problem is IMG. Gaining extra IMG points here and there is not a realistic solution to push the game. These are one pushing projects.

Someone like Hearn is needed to revamp the game. 

I really don't think the issue is player agents not pushing their players. The profile of RL players is no where near high enough for TV execs to want players on these shows.

[sheddingswasus]

1 minute ago, Damien said:

I really don't think the issue is player agents not pushing their players. The profile of RL players is no where near high enough for TV execs to want players on these shows.

So we need people to push and promote these lads. Hence someone like Hearn

[JohnM]

16 minutes ago, sheddingswasus said:

Exactly the same thoughts as I was having. The players agents have a part to play in this. Why are they not pushing their clients. What about a player in I’m a celebrity get me out of here. Off season and top publicity.

But the core be problem is IMG. Gaining extra IMG points here and there is not a realistic solution to push the game. These are one pushing projects.

Someone like Hearn is needed to revamp the game. 

Guess what?

1. I don't agree over IMG. We are only at the beginning of a 12 year project. In any case, there's already an IMG discussion thread.

2. I don't agree over Hearn. Our players are healthy, fit and strong, the complete antithesis of darts players and so many of their followers.

[sam4731]

12 hours ago, JohnM said:

Question of Sport.

Would I lie to You

Strictly Come Dancing

Match of the Day

I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here

Pointless

The Weakest Link

Celebrity Mastermind

Celebrity University Challenge

Celebrity Antiques Road Trip

These are the places but not the only places, where our "stars" need to be seen frequently and regularly to make any lasting impression on a wider public, in my view, covering a certain age group who watch these progs on scheduled TV on a regular basis 

Moving down the age groups, what progs, channels, outlets do the under 30s watch?  Love Island? Big Brother? Made in Chelsea type progs? 

 

 

I think the only relevant ones here are Strictly and I'm a Celeb. They're the only ones outside their shows to get additional media coverage.

Also I will point to Jacques O'Neills foray into Who's the Vainest Person this Year, as a caution for how important appearances on these shows are.

[Dave T]

The 'creating stars' thing is interesting. Hearn is always a bit vague about this and how you do it - how exactly did he make Littler a superstar - the reality is he didn't - Littler exploded onto the scene with his talent and benefited from the vehicle, and then dragged it forward. But he wasn't 'created' by appearing on League of their Own or suchlike.

Similarly, when we look at the Matchroom sports stable, why don't we have superstars in all of them? Even something like snooker to an extent still has O'Sullivan as the main star.

Solo sports are the ones that tend to create breakout stars, I always think that the point of household names is overstated in sports like RL. Sure, we should be getting our players out there wherever we can, make our sport relevant, but I think the main point is around banging the drum for the actual sport and raising awareness of it.

[Ackroman]

 I do wonder why Eddie Hearn cares about RL and why we should listen to him. The best story has been the efforts of Sir Kev and it's been capitalised on as much as you can with the breadth of the TV and media landscape these days. The only story that could outstrip his efforts is a world cup win for England because that team will have the stars that could do something that hasn't been done for over 50 years! it's the most glaring and obvious story in the waiting. All the other stuff around SL "stars" going on SAS who Dares wins (remember Sam Burgess?) or Celebrity Master Chef or whatever, will just generate a passing interest. 

I think the only other story that could possibly top that would be a merger of the two codes. I'm not sure which of the 2 is the least likely.

[The Masked Poster]

15 minutes ago, Dave T said:

The 'creating stars' thing is interesting. Hearn is always a bit vague about this and how you do it - how exactly did he make Littler a superstar - the reality is he didn't - Littler exploded onto the scene with his talent and benefited from the vehicle, and then dragged it forward. But he wasn't 'created' by appearing on League of their Own or suchlike.

Similarly, when we look at the Matchroom sports stable, why don't we have superstars in all of them? Even something like snooker to an extent still has O'Sullivan as the main star.

Solo sports are the ones that tend to create breakout stars, I always think that the point of household names is overstated in sports like RL. Sure, we should be getting our players out there wherever we can, make our sport relevant, but I think the main point is around banging the drum for the actual sport and raising awareness of it.

It was Littlers talent, combined with his young age that ultimately led to him becoming well known and a bit of a story that non darts fans could get interested in.
But if he had been playing exactly like he has done, except the tournament was held in Warrington Parr Hall, still in front of an enthusiastic crowd, then it wouldn't have anything like the same impact. It would have passed most people by except those already fans of the game. 

Like it or not the platform on which Littler gained his popularity and fame was provided by Hearn.