Gamesmanship creeping into the sport ?

[Oxford]

1 hour ago, DavidM said:

Have we seen new forms of gamesmanship becoming more prevelant this season ? 

No I don't think it's increasing or any worse than ever but it's annoying me more than ever when it happens but I put that down to being a Rugby League fan.

[DavidM]

5 minutes ago, Oxford said:

No I don't think it's increasing or any worse than ever but it's annoying me more than ever when it happens but I put that down to being a Rugby League fan.

I didn't even write that

[Oxford]

Just now, DavidM said:

I didn't even write that

Yes I know Dave but I CBA to change when I'd cocked it up!

"Je suis vachement desole" and that's full of mistakes too!

[DavidM]

Just now, Oxford said:

Yes I know Dave but I CBA to change when I'd cocked it up!

"Je suis vachement desole" and that's full of mistakes too!

My spelling would have been much better !!!!

[Oxford]

Just now, DavidM said:

My spelling would have been much better !!!!

Yas, Myn tew!

[GUBRATS]

19 minutes ago, Oxford said:

No I don't think it's increasing or any worse than ever but it's annoying me more than ever when it happens but I put that down to being a Rugby League fan.

It was ' new ' forms of bending the rules I was highlighting 

[Lowdesert]

3 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Have we seen new forms of gamesmanship becoming more prevelant this season ? 

Passing the ball into offside players , holding the ball in the scrum , stepping over prone players and PTB into them , pushing defending players into full backs catching the ball and as displayed yesterday by HKR , just giving away a succession of penalties to run down the last minute of the match ? 

Not strictly cheating , but also not really within the spirit of the game , do we need to look at rule changes to stop it becoming more influential to results ? 

Not sure whether you know it mate, but things like this have been going on a long time.  If a ref won't stop it, or a coach won't coach it, it'll carry on. Tactics, gamesmanship, cheating, crafty, experienced and the rest, all apply.

[Trojan]

I certainly think all teams exploit the goal line drop out. The purpose of this rule is IMO to keep the pressure on.  But teams always seem to have an injury, or have lost the ball, or any other reason and delay the drop out.  OK the ref stops the clock, but this IMO does nothing to solve the problem. The defending team want time to get some air back into their lungs for the next set of six.  But they have conceded the goal line drop out and they should suffer a disadvantage because of it.   Put a time limit on it, and it it's exceeded, award a penalty under the sticks.  As for "water carriers" they should be allowed on for a timed period and then made to leave the field.

I cite an incident concerning Fev because I was there, but it could be any team.  Two seasons ago at the Keepmoat, Fev were playing Sheffield, and more or less for the entire second half, Keith Senior was on the field behind Sheffield when they were attacking, effectively spotting where the best attack should be.  It should stop.

[GUBRATS]

6 minutes ago, Trojan said:

I certainly think all teams exploit the goal line drop out. The purpose of this rule is IMO to keep the pressure on.  But teams always seem to have an injury, or have lost the ball, or any other reason and delay the drop out.  OK the ref stops the clock, but this IMO does nothing to solve the problem. The defending team want time to get some air back into their lungs for the next set of six.  But they have conceded the goal line drop out and they should suffer a disadvantage because of it.   Put a time limit on it, and it it's exceeded, award a penalty under the sticks.  As for "water carriers" they should be allowed on for a timed period and then made to leave the field.

I cite an incident concerning Fev because I was there, but it could be any team.  Two seasons ago at the Keepmoat, Fev were playing Sheffield, and more or less for the entire second half, Keith Senior was on the field behind Sheffield when they were attacking, effectively spotting where the best attack should be.  It should stop.

Since when are players allowed to carry water with them ? 

[sheddingswasus]

One thing I have noticed more and more recently is players going doewn "injured" when making the tackle close to the try line. Then miraculously springing back to action once the defending line has been set and the defenders have caught their breath. Leeds are masters at this.

This afternoon Bradford did this on a number of occcasions to take the steam out of Oldham's attacks near the line

[Futtocks]

2 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

I didn't realise I wasn't allowed to open a debate without some other posters automatically bringing club loyalties into the argument 

Yes Leigh have been guilty of some of the gamesmanship I've highlighted 

Yes AJ Murphy probably did feign injury in 1971 

Some of you need to calm down and just read a post without looking who's posted it , and give an honest opinion on the subject , not look for something not there 

My initial response wasn't aimed solely at you, but everyone who holds the views that 1.everything was better in the past and 2.it is only "other" clubs who do it, and never our own. See pretty much every match thread on this site for evidence of that.

Remember, even nostalgia isn't as good as it used to be.

[DavidM]

2 minutes ago, sheddingswasus said:

One thing I have noticed more and more recently is players going doewn "injured" when making the tackle close to the try line. Then miraculously springing back to action once the defending line has been set and the defenders have caught their breath. Leeds are masters at this.

This afternoon Bradford did this on a number of occcasions to take the steam out of Oldham's attacks near the line

Yes , and have you noticed refs are stopping play for every injury now , even way in back play or non head injuries . This negates any advantage for the attacking team, and if it's down to the physio then of course it's in his interest to stop the game . Sometimes it's pretty trivial like a guy standing there for ages getting a cut tended or tape wrapped round his head

[GUBRATS]

6 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Yes , and have you noticed refs are stopping play for every injury now , even way in back play or non head injuries . This negates any advantage for the attacking team, and if it's down to the physio then of course it's in his interest to stop the game . Sometimes it's pretty trivial like a guy standing there for ages getting a cut tended or tape wrapped round his head

Unfortunatley with todays H and S we have no option but to ' trust ' our players and coaches on that 

However , I do feel that even with head injuries were the player can walk they should leave the pitch as close to touch or in goal as possible and not walk all across the pitch , I highlighted this earlier in the season and was roundly condemned on here 

All within reason of course 

[redjonn]

Some of the behaviours are as said to get air back in the lungs...  maybe just maybe some games are just too fast and constant motion which I think the sport has aimed for... but maybe just maybe the game does need to be a little slower...

[GUBRATS]

16 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

My initial response wasn't aimed solely at you, but everyone who holds the views that 1.everything was better in the past and 2.it is only "other" clubs who do it, and never our own. See pretty much every match thread on this site for evidence of that.

Remember, even nostalgia isn't as good as it used to be.

Wasnt aimed at you actually , you did make a valid point about AJM , more the other references to Leigh , which partly I understood as I included an incident from yesterdays game , but since game 1 this year Ive noticed as I said ' new ' ways , which I hope can be tackled by the refs and the admin 

[DavidM]

4 minutes ago, redjonn said:

Some of the behaviours are as said to get air back in the lungs...  maybe just maybe some games are just too fast and constant motion which I think the sport has aimed for... but maybe just maybe the game does need to be a little slower...

I know that seems counter- intuitive but in some instances I think that's a perfectly fair shout 

[Bearman]

32 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Unfortunatley with todays H and S we have no option but to ' trust ' our players and coaches on that 

However , I do feel that even with head injuries were the player can walk they should leave the pitch as close to touch or in goal as possible and not walk all across the pitch , I highlighted this earlier in the season and was roundly condemned on here 

All within reason of course 

Perhaps bring in a rule that if a physio has to come he must escort the injured player off immediately, if it results in play being stopped or the player cannot leave immediately then as soon as he is able he must leave the pitch for at least 10 minutes and it counts as a blood bin change.

There is a possibility that coaches might abuse that as a way of getting unlimmited subs.

[Mark S]

Sinfield mastered the art of the ball suddenly disappearing at a drop out. It would take a few minutes to find one and the ball boy would give to him in the corner, Sinfield would then stroll at snail's pace to the sticks.

[Padge]

Have RL appointed medical staff and stop clubs using their own staff. Clubs get billed for every time the medics have to attend to a player.

[DavidM]

18 minutes ago, Mark S said:

Sinfield mastered the art of the ball suddenly disappearing at a drop out. It would take a few minutes to find one and the ball boy would give to him in the corner, Sinfield would then stroll at snail's pace to the sticks.

Faster than usual then 

[terrywebbisgod]

23 minutes ago, Mark S said:

Sinfield mastered the art of the ball suddenly disappearing at a drop out. It would take a few minutes to find one and the ball boy would give to him in the corner, Sinfield would then stroll at snail's pace to the sticks.

It worked (usually)

Teams always have and always bend the rules,at all levels,in every sport.

Whilst it doesn't make it right,you need to find that extra edge.

Anyone who has played any sport,competitively, at a decent level will say the same.

[Trojan]

36 minutes ago, Mark S said:

Sinfield mastered the art of the ball suddenly disappearing at a drop out. It would take a few minutes to find one and the ball boy would give to him in the corner, Sinfield would then stroll at snail's pace to the sticks.

They all do it.  Fev do it I've seen them.  It negates the purpose of the line drop out.  It should be punished in some way.  If teams need to get some air back in their lungs, they'll have to concede a try and recover whilst waiting tor the conversion.

[Mark S]

3 minutes ago, Trojan said:

They all do it.  Fev do it I've seen them.  It negates the purpose of the line drop out.  It should be punished in some way.  If teams need to get some air back in their lungs, they'll have to concede a try and recover whilst waiting tor the conversion.

The one the most annoying things is when  teams are waiting the ref is usually have some 'banter' with a couple of the players.

[Liverpool Rover]

If we defended against Salford in the last minute last year the way we did against Leigh yesterday we would have stayed up and Salford would have gone down. It's cynical and we ended up getting a team warning at the very end but in professional sport where winning and losing can have massive implications then that is what teams will do if it will win them a game. It's always happened and always will.

[GUBRATS]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Rover said:

If we defended against Salford in the last minute last year the way we did against Leigh yesterday we would have stayed up and Salford would have gone down. It's cynical and we ended up getting a team warning at the very end but in professional sport where winning and losing can have massive implications then that is what teams will do if it will win them a game. It's always happened and always will.

Indeed , if we ( Leigh ) had done similar at Perpignan , we'd have finished 10th and had the extra home fixture 

However I do hope we dont start to see it happening regularily