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8 hours ago, Desert Skipper said:

Pretty sure Warrington didn’t average 12,258 last year.

I’d guess we lost 800-1000 per game based on this year’s performances so maybe circa 11,000 would be a realistic 2016 figure. And I’d guess the knock-on effect (pardon the pun) will see another 500-1000 less next year.

So maybe those figures exclude the 8s or something?

Warrington averaged 11,112 for the 11 SL home games of 2016, then it goes to 11,051 if you add the four Super 8's. 

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21 minutes ago, RayCee said:

There are two sets of figures on that site, both with a different way of presentation.

I'm just going on the fact that the rugby league yearbook gives different figures for 2016 and they include the super 8s so I can only think the figures on here do not 

ah a sunday night in front of the telly watching old rugby league games.

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If you want the 23 rounds prior to the Super 8's or Qualifiers:

https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/2017/09/uk-super-league-attendances-2016-17-by.html

For long term 1995-2017, it is below. Until the last three seasons, there were longer seasons of regular matches. The switch to the new system caused a division of the top clubs, some playing other SL teams in the Super 8s, others top Championship sides in the Qualifiers. Those sorts of changes make a long term comparison difficult. In trying to keep a fair historical comparison, the figures below exclude qualifier matches but include Super 8 ones. 

https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/european-attendances-1995-2017.html

Whatever the situation, comparisons of data are useful but don't take into account many factors that could affect crowds. They are best viewed as indicative, not absolute. The trend since 1995 has been upward. 2017 was down slightly.

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18 minutes ago, southstand loiner said:

I'm just going on the fact that the rugby league yearbook gives different figures for 2016 and they include the super 8s so I can only think the figures on here do not 

Well spotted. As a matter of interest, what was the figure they had for Leeds in 2016? Including Qualifiers, mine was 15,521. 

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1 hour ago, RayCee said:

Well spotted. As a matter of interest, what was the figure they had for Leeds in 2016? Including Qualifiers, mine was 15,521. 

2016 Leeds including 8s was 15,478  not to bad with 2 championship teams at headingley I suppose 

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2 hours ago, southstand loiner said:

2016 Leeds including 8s was 15,478  not to bad with 2 championship teams at headingley I suppose 

With the renovations at Headingley, what will be the capacity while it is going on and once it is finished? Any news on that?

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As an outsider looking in from Australia the figures listed show where the game needs to be focused long term, less games and higher attendances. The amount of fixtures must impact the crowd numbers, surely the aim should be to get down to approx 22 rounds + finals and try and have every team with a minimum 10k average.

Looking at Salford, 3.1k average to get 47k all year. Reduce to 11 home games with focus to get to at least 5k average and you have 55k for the year. Less stadium costs due to less rounds should equate to more money.

The biggest "Football" comp in the World, the NFL only has 16 rounds, shows its not the quantity but the quality thats important.

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1 hour ago, Balmain1969 said:

As an outsider looking in from Australia the figures listed show where the game needs to be focused long term, less games and higher attendances. The amount of fixtures must impact the crowd numbers, surely the aim should be to get down to approx 22 rounds + finals and try and have every team with a minimum 10k average.

Looking at Salford, 3.1k average to get 47k all year. Reduce to 11 home games with focus to get to at least 5k average and you have 55k for the year. Less stadium costs due to less rounds should equate to more money.

The biggest "Football" comp in the World, the NFL only has 16 rounds, shows its not the quantity but the quality thats important.

The biggest sport in the UK market though has 38 regular rounds, plus two domestic cup comps, plus extensive European comps for over a quarter of the teams.

I personally don't think a club staging 14 to 20 home games in a 52 week year is excessive.

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8 hours ago, jpmc said:

I do actually thinl ST sales are great for rl clubs.

For example if leigh averaged 6500 this season & 6k of them were ST holders then i tjink the club would be in a great place.

I suppose if youve got very good ST sales then when cup games come round you can offer good deals which other clubs cant

Don't clubs need to get an agreement from the other team to change their pricing for cup games. 

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36 minutes ago, Dave T said:

The biggest sport in the UK market though has 38 regular rounds, plus two domestic cup comps, plus extensive European comps for over a quarter of the teams.

I personally don't think a club staging 14 to 20 home games in a 52 week year is excessive.

There are a lot more big clubs in football though. With RL you are playing the same clubs over and over if you have a lot of fixtures?

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4 hours ago, RayCee said:

With the renovations at Headingley, what will be the capacity while it is going on and once it is finished? Any news on that?

back up to the 21,000  mark . the redevelopment was not about significant increases but on much needed modernisation for home fans 

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2 hours ago, Dave T said:

The biggest sport in the UK market though has 38 regular rounds, plus two domestic cup comps, plus extensive European comps for over a quarter of the teams.

I personally don't think a club staging 14 to 20 home games in a 52 week year is excessive.

I think physically it definitely is a problem however, playing in the PL isn't remotely comparable to SL. Also, playing the same team 5 times in a season gets a bit boring...

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2 hours ago, Balmain1969 said:

As an outsider looking in from Australia the figures listed show where the game needs to be focused long term, less games and higher attendances. The amount of fixtures must impact the crowd numbers, surely the aim should be to get down to approx 22 rounds + finals and try and have every team with a minimum 10k average.

Looking at Salford, 3.1k average to get 47k all year. Reduce to 11 home games with focus to get to at least 5k average and you have 55k for the year. Less stadium costs due to less rounds should equate to more money.

The biggest "Football" comp in the World, the NFL only has 16 rounds, shows its not the quantity but the quality thats important.

it not always the case that less games mean much bigger crowds or fewer games thus less ground costs.

take Leeds for example who have close on 11,000 season ticket holders so if you reduce the number of games then you reduce the price of the season tickets and that has an big impact onto income . even more importantly Leeds have over 1,500 corporate covers for meals ect sold out for most games at an average of £100 each cover that's a lot of money to have to recoup as there's no scope to increase covers for fewer games.

stadium costs at headingley are also always there as they own the ground and as every game makes a healthy profit and you could only increase crowd numbers by around 3maybe 3,500 a game there's no big revenue uptake for Leeds in less games.

thus for Leeds at least it would mean less games same stadium costs but less money as you cant get a significant increase on capacity to offset the reduction in games.

also remember that as regards home games unless you finish in a top 2 position in the league at the break for super 8s you  only have 14 home games anyway in the season and clubs would not be willing to risk the reduction on income if gates did not increase just on a theory that they would increase because if they were having a bad season chance's are the gates would actually go down rather than up as the floating fans stayed away then of course with reduced season ticket income they would actually be worse off .

I'm sorry but you cant just change a season for clubs that have historically always gotten lower gates in the hope that they can get a small increase per game if there are fewer games . my guess is that if we did as you suggest Salford may increase atts by say 25% if they have a good season but around the league other gates depending on how they have done will only increase or decrease by a relatively small amount  as some lubs seek to move into smaller stadiums in any case so Castleford who average say 8,500 are moving to a 10,000 capacity stadium so just were do you fit that significant increase 

ah a sunday night in front of the telly watching old rugby league games.

does life get any better .

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1 hour ago, bobbruce said:

Don't clubs need to get an agreement from the other team to change their pricing for cup games. 

when Leeds played at home to Doncaster in 2017 challenge cup Leeds actually ame Doncaster all the home gate money after expenses  instead of keeping there share

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16 minutes ago, wackojacko said:

I think physically it definitely is a problem however, playing in the PL isn't remotely comparable to SL. Also, playing the same team 5 times in a season gets a bit boring...

but strangely at times they can produce clubs biggest home gates at times

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23 hours ago, Hvy wg said:

Leeds 14 418
Wigan 13 671
Hull 11 418
St Helens 10 947
Warrington 10 164
Castleford 8 779
Catalans 8610
Leigh 6331
Huddersfield 5890
Wakefield 5676
Widnes 5592
Salford 3842

Leighs average is really commendable. Only St Helens came to Town bringing 3k and Warrington and Wigan was really disappointing considering we took 2-3000 to both away games.

If Leigh can comfortably average 4500 next season, that will do me. Its a pity because we travel well too, but HKR will make up for that.

I really fear for salford.

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Seeing these figures (my first time to the forum in about a week or more I think) my first thought is that Toronto WolfPack would have landed right in the middle of the pack given their avg this year  I think landed a bit over 7k I believe?

And I would be willing to place bets with anyone that next year being in Championship TWP attendance is going to go up, significantly.

Bit surprised by the Salford figures as to my recollection they were looking strong at the start of the season club wise before the wheels starting coming off at the midway.

Some of these clubs and their stadiums I do not really know, but I am left with an overwhelming impression of a under performance for this sport  - it seems to me all the top tier clubs need to be drawing 15k and more for long term survivability of the game.

Please no hate -  I am just relaying my impressions as a North American fan of the sport which I played in my teens years ago and am glad to have found again via TWP.  In fact my 19 yr old daughter is sitting beside me as I type this, and I can only relay to you that when she saw the averages for the clubs, she was shocked and not in a good way.  To the NA eye these are really very marginal appearing figures.

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6 hours ago, Captain Survival said:

Seeing these figures (my first time to the forum in about a week or more I think) my first thought is that Toronto WolfPack would have landed right in the middle of the pack given their avg this year  I think landed a bit over 7k I believe?

And I would be willing to place bets with anyone that next year being in Championship TWP attendance is going to go up, significantly.

Bit surprised by the Salford figures as to my recollection they were looking strong at the start of the season club wise before the wheels starting coming off at the midway.

Some of these clubs and their stadiums I do not really know, but I am left with an overwhelming impression of a under performance for this sport  - it seems to me all the top tier clubs need to be drawing 15k and more for long term survivability of the game.

Please no hate -  I am just relaying my impressions as a North American fan of the sport which I played in my teens years ago and am glad to have found again via TWP.  In fact my 19 yr old daughter is sitting beside me as I type this, and I can only relay to you that when she saw the averages for the clubs, she was shocked and not in a good way.  To the NA eye these are really very marginal appearing figures.

They are indeed Capt. However, TV money is good considering few want to pick up the rights for SL (without TV money it would be a a poor sport indeed). Some smaller towns will struggle to grow much and even in bigger towns it's working class image won't appeal to everyone. 

It will be interesting to see how far the WP will go with attendance numbers. Your mention of 15k would indicate you feel they can go past that number without any problem. For me, I'm not sure nor knowledgeable enough on NA sport and RL acceptance to predict it. Being in a big city doesn't of itself guarantee large crowds. In London, UK the Broncos side have very poor attendance figures. That said, Toronto doesn't seem to have the issues London does but there is still much to do to keep increasing public interest in Toronto.  

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I wonder why no club has ever decided to bring in the option of a permanent club membership, automatically renewing each season?

 

You could cancel at any time, but if it makes it easier to stay a member, surely that's a good thing?

 

I am a member would feel more permanent, and the 'are you going to renew for next year?'' question would gradually become less of a thing.

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On 08/10/2017 at 4:15 PM, Spidey said:

Widnes wasn't 6k last year. Don't think we've broke 6k since getting back into SL

I've got the correct numbers somewhere which I'll dig out when I get a chance

Widnes:

2016 - 5469  /  2017 - 5584

Change - 2%

Not near what's needed for SL long term but at least some growth from 2016

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On 10/8/2017 at 8:29 AM, Hvy wg said:

Leeds 14 418
Wigan 13 671
Hull 11 418
St Helens 10 947
Warrington 10 164
Castleford 8 779
Catalans 8610
Leigh 6331
Huddersfield 5890
Wakefield 5676
Widnes 5592
Salford 3842

So Toronto would be 8th for attendance and they are only in league 1? We will see what happens next year now the the word got out and that the competition will be sterner.

I'm pretty surprised no one is over 20K actually, i thought the big clubs would have much higher figures.

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5 minutes ago, Krzzystuff said:

So Toronto would be 8th for attendance and they are only in league 1? We will see what happens next year now the the word got out and that the competition will be sterner.

I'm pretty surprised no one is over 20K actually, i thought the big clubs would have much higher figures.

Always feel a tad disappointed with Leeds, hull & Catalans average att

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