Liverpool RLFC (Merged Threads)

[The Future is League 2,145]

22 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Double glazing industry supplying conservatory roofs to window companies , set up with £ 3 grand to start with , turned over 25 million + over 19 years , over 3.5 million in my best year , then set up a systems company supplying conservatory roof manufacturers all over the country that went from zero to 4.5 million turnover in 3 years

Then lost most of it as well due to market forces , bad debt , being ' shafted ' by people I trusted and the general ending of the use of my product , as I said , not too many people are experts in multiple fields and are able to guarantee succsess , especially in sports businesses that are essentially designed to lose money , I know this from being involved at Leigh prior to getting promoted in 2004

What businesses have you set up or been involved in ?

When i came out of the army i joined the family business of a Datsun franchise which my uncle and father had with my uncle having the bigger share. When my father died i took over his share of the franchise much to the disgust of my uncle who just thought i was a fly by night. When my uncle retired my cousin took his share and basically the franchise went down hill as my cousin only wanted the money and not the work involved and we ended losing the franchise.

I then got involved with another uncle in advertising and that was interesting and paid well, but by golly that was hard work. The stress levels were unbelievable and i ended up drinking a lot to try and cope with the stress, but couldn't, so to save my marriage and liver i sold my share.

I then got involved in contracting for new build houses for a big company. Basically i would supply the the decorators for the new builds and would receive 1% of the cost of the house for the decorating so then i would put it out to price work for 1/2% and would supply the paint and keep the rest for myself. That paid well and as long as i had good tradesmen i was laughing and on easy street compared to advertising. When that came to an end i dabbled with a few things but nothing heavy and now I'm retired and spend winters abroad in the sunshine as you must notice by the time of some of my posting and return to the UK in spring.

 

[GUBRATS 2,635]

2 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

When i came out of the army i joined the family business of a Datsun franchise which my uncle and father had with my uncle having the bigger share. When my father died i took over his share of the franchise much to the disgust of my uncle who just thought i was a fly by night. When my uncle retired my cousin took his share and basically the franchise went down hill as my cousin only wanted the money and not the work involved and we ended losing the franchise.

I then got involved with another uncle in advertising and that was interesting and paid well, but by golly that was hard work. The stress levels were unbelievable and i ended up drinking a lot to try and cope with the stress, but couldn't, so to save my marriage and liver i sold my share.

I then got involved in contracting for new build houses for a big company. Basically i would supply the the decorators for the new builds and would receive 1% of the cost of the house for the decorating so then i would put it out to price work for 1/2% and would supply the paint and keep the rest for myself. That paid well and as long as i had good tradesmen i was laughing and on easy street compared to advertising. When that came to an end i dabbled with a few things but nothing heavy and now I'm retired and spend winters abroad in the sunshine as you must notice by the time of some of my posting and return to the UK in spring.

 

An interesting post , but not quite sure of your point , so is it easy to be an expert in multiple fields or not ?

From my point of view I am now working harder physically than at any time in my life at the age of 58 , but generally I am happy with the work I do as I find it fullfilling and not stressful [ I tried for too long to keep my business going making myself ill in the process and costing any chance I had of an early retirement ] , as for how long I can continue , well thats another matter , so I may well have to look at something else at some point , although I doubt I could work ' for ' anybody again , maybe a ' trolly dolly ' at ASDA is on the cards

[EastLondonMike 1,323]

All very strange to me. Straight out if the New York RL book on how to build a successful RL club. 

If you are looking for a big city location in the U.K that doesn't already have a strong RL club, but has potential and somewhat of a history associated with the game, you look at somewhere like Cardiff. Not Liverpool.

[The Future is League 2,145]

4 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

An interesting post , but not quite sure of your point , so is it easy to be an expert in multiple fields or not ?

From my point of view I am now working harder physically than at any time in my life at the age of 58 , but generally I am happy with the work I do as I find it fullfilling and not stressful [ I tried for too long to keep my business going making myself ill in the process and costing any chance I had of an early retirement ] , as for how long I can continue , well thats another matter , so I may well have to look at something else at some point , although I doubt I could work ' for ' anybody again , maybe a ' trolly dolly ' at ASDA is on the cards

If I'm honest i got a leg up from the family when i left the army and everything sort of fell into place after that. If it wasn't for the family giving me that leg up when i left the army lord only knows what i would have done, but my advice to anyone who asks my advice i say, "Don't pigeon yourself by only doing one thing if you don't have a trade or profession"

[The Future is League 2,145]

Back on topic i wish the good Doctor all the best in his efforts to get a club started in Liverpool. As i have said before i think he has a genuine love of the game

[Damien 7,333]

6 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Back on topic i wish the good Doctor all the best in his efforts to get a club started in Liverpool. As i have said before i think he has a genuine love of the game

So do I and I think his comments and tweets are evidence of that. He could have easily walked away completely when he left Salford and just written it off as a bad deal but he didn't.

[GUBRATS 2,635]

1 minute ago, The Future is League said:

If I'm honest i got a leg up from the family when i left the army and everything sort of fell into place after that. If it wasn't for the family giving me that leg up when i left the army lord only knows what i would have done, but my advice to anyone who asks my advice i say, "Don't pigeon yourself by only doing one thing if you don't have a trade or profession"

Indeed I left school 10 days before my 15th birthday , working in a bank , for the NZ armed forces as a civvy , a house building company , sold food to resturants , drove a van for a clothing co until fate dropped me into the world of double glazing , upon setting up my business my mother handed me a poem by Edgar Guest which helped me work through adversity and still does , and indeed would apply to the good doctor if he does follow through with his stated intentions

[The Future is League 2,145]

37 minutes ago, EastLondonMike said:

All very strange to me. Straight out if the New York RL book on how to build a successful RL club. 

If you are looking for a big city location in the U.K that doesn't already have a strong RL club, but has potential and somewhat of a history associated with the game, you look at somewhere like Cardiff. Not Liverpool.

Not strange to me.

Just outside the heartlands so they will have plenty of players to chose from, and Liverpool is one of the worlds best known cities, and due in some ways to the Beatles and Liverpool FC

[The Future is League 2,145]

27 minutes ago, Damien said:

So do I and I think his comments and tweets are evidence of that. He could have easily walked away completely when he left Salford and just written it off as a bad deal but he didn't.

I'm encouraged by what he is saying about setting up some amateur clubs and talking to the schools.

[EssexRL 1,110]

48 minutes ago, EastLondonMike said:

All very strange to me. Straight out if the New York RL book on how to build a successful RL club. 

If you are looking for a big city location in the U.K that doesn't already have a strong RL club, but has potential and somewhat of a history associated with the game, you look at somewhere like Cardiff. Not Liverpool.

If we think RL is a great game, which it is, then with the right backing, planning and funding should deliver anywhere with a decent population- Liverpool, Cardiff, Plymouth, Chatham, Darlington where ever. 

The issue for me is there doesn’t seem to be a plan for the future of the game. Whether good or bad, initiatives like these risk being unsustainable. So, the Doctor talks about getting LRLFC into L1 but what’s the future of L1 - anyone know? 

[Oliver Clothesoff 2,805]

6 minutes ago, EssexRL said:

If we think RL is a great game, which it is, then with the right backing, planning and funding should deliver anywhere with a decent population- Liverpool, Cardiff, Plymouth, Chatham, Darlington where ever. 

The issue for me is there doesn’t seem to be a plan for the future of the game. Whether good or bad, initiatives like these risk being unsustainable. So, the Doctor talks about getting LRLFC into L1 but what’s the future of L1 - anyone know? 

Rumours that Super League and the Championship are going to get the money from the next tv deal with League One being swallowed up by the NCL. That’s what I heard anyway before someone shoots the messenger. 

[GUBRATS 2,635]

10 minutes ago, EssexRL said:

If we think RL is a great game, which it is, then with the right backing, planning and funding should deliver anywhere with a decent population- Liverpool, Cardiff, Plymouth, Chatham, Darlington where ever.

The issue for me is there doesn’t seem to be a plan for the future of the game. Whether good or bad, initiatives like these risk being unsustainable. So, the Doctor talks about getting LRLFC into L1 but what’s the future of L1 - anyone know?

I genuinely doubt his ambitions lie with just L1 , yes he could fund a ' hobby ' club with £ 250 K a year using local players and have somewhere to have a glass of red 20 sundays a year

But does that sound like the good doctor ? , seriously ?

Or is he doing it just to annoy Widnes ? , and was it the intention to rebrand them as Liverpool

Edited February 8, 2019 by GUBRATS

[Damien 7,333]

49 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

I'm encouraged by what he is saying about setting up some amateur clubs and talking to the schools.

Yes and a new ground too. A proper home, grassroots and finance are essential for any RL club to be successful.

[deluded pom? 6,442]

Can the mods merge these Liverpool threads please?

[Tre Cool 1,342]

It has no chance of success without vast sums of money being written off for 10-20 years at least.  Building a new stadium too? Come on.

[tuutaisrambo 574]

What are they gonna be called then?  The Mersey Beats.......they'll probably lose a few 

No problem with this and hope it works out.

[Damien 7,333]

2 hours ago, EastLondonMike said:

All very strange to me. Straight out if the New York RL book on how to build a successful RL club. 

If you are looking for a big city location in the U.K that doesn't already have a strong RL club, but has potential and somewhat of a history associated with the game, you look at somewhere like Cardiff. Not Liverpool.

Or you just look at a City in which you already have business interests and are already very familiar with. It's his money and any investment in a new area is welcome.

[John Drake 5,124]

20 minutes ago, deluded pom? said:

Can the mods merge these Liverpool threads please?

Done.

[Exiled Wiganer 3,399]

1 hour ago, Tre Cool said:

It has no chance of success without vast sums of money being written off for 10-20 years at least.  Building a new stadium too? Come on.

Indeed, it will require the owners to be prepared to lose millions. The key question is whether they consider that to be “vast” or not. In, say, David Hughes’ case he has financed his £20 m Broncos investment from his day job. Argyle can finance his Wolfpack investment from his loose change. Lenaghan’s Wigan losses eat into his pension pot more substantially. 

[PaulF 4]

We're open to starting in League One, or the alternative maybe is we are told by the Rugby Football League that it might be easier to buy an existing club and re-brand it."

He doesn't actually say they would like to take over an existing club but if the RFL suggested that was the way to go then they could try that route.

 

[Toby Chopra 781]

39 minutes ago, PaulF said:

We're open to starting in League One, or the alternative maybe is we are told by the Rugby Football League that it might be easier to buy an existing club and re-brand it."

He doesn't actually say they would like to take over an existing club but if the RFL suggested that was the way to go then they could try that route.

 

I hope a RL journalist asks the RFL for comment on the rebranding suggestion. I find it very unlikely that the RFL has just given MK the green light to buy an existing club and move it to Liverpool. Our clubs aren't "franchises" in the North American sense, so any move to that model would be revolutionary, far beyond the fate of a Liverpool club. 

[Bleep1673 1,093]

Birmingham, Bristol, Brighton, Norwich, all these haven't been tried before. 'Pool has

[Oliver Clothesoff 2,805]

Liverpool is a good idea if we’re taking Magic there, however, it’s the juniors that need clubs rather than an additional adult side who’ll just use the same player pool as the existing lower league teams. 

[NotToday 39]

I hope he calls it simply Liverpool RFC instead of Liverpool RLFC, that is a mouthful. And unless he grabs that name first you know Union will in 5-6 years time.

They could have a nickname but don't make it an official part of the logo. They should piggyback off the Liverpool FC branding but with more youth and edge behind it.

Perhaps go with blue for the bird, yellow for the background, and red for the borders? Perhaps have the letters XIII built into the bird, something like this. Perhaps have the bird standing on a mountain of rugby balls, something like this.

[Krzzystuff 2,244]

Dr.K is a quack! he's always promising a new grad club that will be the best thing since sliced bread. no faith in anything he says. He didn't buy the bulls when he had the opportunity after saying he really wanted to buy them, walked away from Salford, got drunk on wine and thought up the Cumbria Lakers and now it's Liverpool. He also was going to buy an NRL team and make it an English team in the NRL if I understand correctly. He's proved he can't run a club and SL is looking for stability and good management...not off the rocker wineo's who like twitter spats. DJB is likely never being allowed back as well.

Good headline's though for RL publications.