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21 hours ago, RayCee said:

Fantastic season:

https://rugbyl.blogspot.com/2019/04/uk-championship-attendances-2019.html

Attendances through the roof. 

Good bit of work this. 

Would be interested to see list of each club’s highest home gate for the season and who the opposition were. 

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The weather here in November is waaay better than in February. Probably the same as in England. And it is supposed to be a summer league - why does it start in the middle of winter anyway?

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1 hour ago, DOGFATHER said:

May I ask where you obtain these figures RayCee?

Are these the official attendances, or are these taken from the Rugby Press for example?

The reason I ask, I have noticed quite a discrepancy in the figures published by the League Weekly and League Express some weeks.  

I have also had some very similar experiences to Gav7094 at several grounds this season. Some of the published figures are quite frankly laughable. The Sheffield away game for us for example, was akin the last match at Halifax a few seasons ago BluesOx referenced earlier in the thread, which was officially reported at around 3k, when the reality was around 800. 

I realise this is very skeptical, but I find it highly unlikely that every figure will be accurate, given that a clubs future funding will be influenced by the increase in gates.

They come from the press and yes, there are at times discrepancies. Mostly they are the same though. I'm not sure why there aren't official figures published from the RFL. Even then, it comes down to the figures they are given being accurate. 

I realise that these stats are a guide rather than absolute. However, what they do show is that the Championship had a well supported year. They also indicate which clubs did well and those less so. 

Every stat you ever read will have some level of inaccuracy. How many people were living in the UK in 2018? I guarantee any figure on that is not 100% accurate. With any figures what we hope for is for it to be as close enough to 100% as possible, so as to give a fair indicator of the truth. 


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18 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Move somewhere warmer then 

As opposed to not forcing them to play home games when they can't host them? The issue isn't just the weather, it's the fact that their city-owned stadium is domed for community use until mid-April every year.

But no, teams freaking out over the Wolfpack not being forced to fly back and forth every week is far more important than a simple and logical scheduling adjustment.

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5 minutes ago, Lamport Life said:

As opposed to not forcing them to play home games when they can't host them? The issue isn't just the weather, it's the fact that their city-owned stadium is domed for community use until mid-April every year.

But no, teams freaking out over the Wolfpack not being forced to fly back and forth every week is far more important than a simple and logical scheduling adjustment.

Funnily enough the Wolfpack are doing that anyway , they played Leigh at Lamport on Saturday and will face either York or Toulouse a week on Sunday , but they've still flown ' away ' to the UK a day after playing at ' home ' 

As I've put previously , for me they could play their loop fixtures 1st all in the UK , leaving an even number of trips to Canada for each other team , and allowing Toronto to play in groups of 2 giving equal travel to everybody 

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This is why we should leave the leagues as they are. League 1 to nurture expansion and help established clubs consolidate (W'haven eg).

Already to look forward to unless one goes up is the wife is letting me go to Toulouse again (new ground next year) and York (hopefully the same) are big games now vs the Bulls. I think Bradford will lose about 1000 from Odsal attendances. Mainly due to the "floating fan".


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On 11/09/2019 at 02:22, RayCee said:

Fantastic season:

https://rugbyl.blogspot.com/2019/04/uk-championship-attendances-2019.html

Attendances through the roof. 

Good news but I don't really understand the figures in the table on this page.

For 2019 they list the total attendance as 456,995 and 189 matches so an average of 2,418. That looks ok to me.

Then for 2018 they have a total attendance of 249,125 and 180 matches and an average of 1,805  and in 2017 they have 279,664 over 180 matches and an average of 2,012.  Both of those two calculations are miles off.

(the increase is actually much better than stated as they have over calculated the 2018 and 2017 figures)

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The York average looks out, for the league games it should be 2125. I think the discrepancy is because one of the Bradford lot (Mick Gledhill?) announced the York vs Bulls attendance as 4554, before York confirmed it as 4007. Most of the press then went with the earlier figure. 

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2 hours ago, Dunbar said:

Good news but I don't really understand the figures in the table on this page.

For 2019 they list the total attendance as 456,995 and 189 matches so an average of 2,418. That looks ok to me.

Then for 2018 they have a total attendance of 249,125 and 180 matches and an average of 1,805  and in 2017 they have 279,664 over 180 matches and an average of 2,012.  Both of those two calculations are miles off.

(the increase is actually much better than stated as they have over calculated the 2018 and 2017 figures)

There were 138 matches during the regular Championship season (12 clubs h and a + Bash) in 2017 and 2018 which gives 1805 and 2026 using the quoted season totals. Not sure were the 180 figure comes from. 189 for 2019 looks correct.

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On 12/09/2019 at 11:28, Lamport Life said:

As opposed to not forcing them to play home games when they can't host them? The issue isn't just the weather, it's the fact that their city-owned stadium is domed for community use until mid-April every year.

But no, teams freaking out over the Wolfpack not being forced to fly back and forth every week is far more important than a simple and logical scheduling adjustment.

The MLR schedule came out today (although it looks to be down again) and the Arrows have much the same schedule as last year, almost all away games until April them almost all home.

With one exception of a February home game... not sure how that will work, although RUNY was talking about hosting a game in Buffalo, maybe that will actually be an Arrows home game? They played an exhibition game last year at the Bills indoor facility. 

Anyway,  other leagues are willing to work around weather, avoiding games in the north while it's cold and avoiding games in the south while it's hot.

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7 hours ago, Dunbar said:

Good news but I don't really understand the figures in the table on this page.

For 2019 they list the total attendance as 456,995 and 189 matches so an average of 2,418. That looks ok to me.

Then for 2018 they have a total attendance of 249,125 and 180 matches and an average of 1,805  and in 2017 they have 279,664 over 180 matches and an average of 2,012.  Both of those two calculations are miles off.

(the increase is actually much better than stated as they have over calculated the 2018 and 2017 figures)

Hi Dunbar, I rechecked and realised I had transferred some figures from on chart to another incorrectly. The main difference was the number of games played is inaccurate. This was due to constant changes in the way competitions are run in RL and the chart is only for regular season games. It created a discrepancy in the number of games played before playoff games. 

Regardless, it has been modified and I appreciate your noticing the difference.

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6 hours ago, AB Knight said:

The York average looks out, for the league games it should be 2125. I think the discrepancy is because one of the Bradford lot (Mick Gledhill?) announced the York vs Bulls attendance as 4554, before York confirmed it as 4007. Most of the press then went with the earlier figure. 

Spot on AB, that is what happened. The chart has been updated accordingly. Thanks.

5 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

There were 138 matches during the regular Championship season (12 clubs h and a + Bash) in 2017 and 2018 which gives 1805 and 2026 using the quoted season totals. Not sure were the 180 figure comes from. 189 for 2019 looks correct.

Again, spot on Les. I included the playoff games into the number of matches, which was incorrect. Fixed and thanks. 

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32 minutes ago, RayCee said:

Hi Dunbar, I rechecked and realised I had transferred some figures from on chart to another incorrectly. The main difference was the number of games played is inaccurate. This was due to constant changes in the way competitions are run in RL and the chart is only for regular season games. It created a discrepancy in the number of games played before playoff games. 

Regardless, it has been modified and I appreciate your noticing the difference.

Cool. Great news on the Championship figures this year and thanks for posting. 

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On 12/09/2019 at 00:24, TIWIT said:

And it is supposed to be a summer league - why does it start in the middle of winter anyway?

Never question the RFL. They know better than us!

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Great insight, so looking at all clubs across all Leagues, 2019 v 2018 looked like this:

  • Leeds - Up
  • St Helens - Up
  • Wigan - Up
  • Hull FC - Up
  • Warrington - Up
  • Catalans - Up
  • Hull KR - Up
  • Castleford - Down
  • Wakefield - Up
  • Huddersfield - Down
  • Salford - Up
  • London - Up 
  • Widnes - Down
  • Toronto - Up
  • Bradford - Up
  • York - Up
  • Leigh - Down
  • Toulouse - Up
  • Featherstone - Down
  • Halifax - Up
  • Barrow - Up
  • Batley - Up
  • Dewsbury - Up
  • Swinton - Up
  • Sheffield - Up
  • Rochdale - Up
  • Newcastle - Up
  • Workington - Up
  • Whitehaven - Up
  • Keighley - Up
  • Doncaster - Down
  • Oldham - Up
  • Hunslet - Down
  • Skolars - Up
  • Coventry - Up
  • North Wales - Down
  • South Wales - Down

So for 37 clubs, 28 enjoyed YOY increases whilst 9 had drops.  

Looking at aggregates and attendances across the Professional game: 

2018: 1,908,713 attended 500 Games (3,817 Avg)
2019: 1,995,407 attended 473 Games (4,219 Avg)

Overall, that is a real positive for the game.  Not only did averages go (10.5% YOY) up, but so did the aggregate (4.5% YOY) showing more people went to games this year versus 2018, even with one less club and 27 less games.  

Here's hoping that upward trend can continue into 2020. 

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2 hours ago, Yakstorm said:

Great insight, so looking at all clubs across all Leagues, 2019 v 2018 looked like this:

  • Leeds - Up
  • St Helens - Up
  • Wigan - Up
  • Hull FC - Up
  • Warrington - Up
  • Catalans - Up
  • Hull KR - Up
  • Castleford - Down
  • Wakefield - Up
  • Huddersfield - Down
  • Salford - Up
  • London - Up 
  • Widnes - Down
  • Toronto - Up
  • Bradford - Up
  • York - Up
  • Leigh - Down
  • Toulouse - Up
  • Featherstone - Down
  • Halifax - Up
  • Barrow - Up
  • Batley - Up
  • Dewsbury - Up
  • Swinton - Up
  • Sheffield - Up
  • Rochdale - Up
  • Newcastle - Up
  • Workington - Up
  • Whitehaven - Up
  • Keighley - Up
  • Doncaster - Down
  • Oldham - Up
  • Hunslet - Down
  • Skolars - Up
  • Coventry - Up
  • North Wales - Down
  • South Wales - Down

So for 37 clubs, 28 enjoyed YOY increases whilst 9 had drops.  

Looking at aggregates and attendances across the Professional game: 

2018: 1,908,713 attended 500 Games (3,817 Avg)
2019: 1,995,407 attended 473 Games (4,219 Avg)

Overall, that is a real positive for the game.  Not only did averages go (10.5% YOY) up, but so did the aggregate (4.5% YOY) showing more people went to games this year versus 2018, even with one less club and 27 less games.  

Here's hoping that upward trend can continue into 2020. 

Fabulous news, thanks for sharing it. It won’t stop the doomsayers groaning on about how the game is dying though. 

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10 hours ago, RayCee said:

Spot on AB, that is what happened. The chart has been updated accordingly. Thanks.

Again, spot on Les. I included the playoff games into the number of matches, which was incorrect. Fixed and thanks. 

Excellent work Ray and hope you don't feel as though I'm criticizing your efforts - I know how difficult it often is to get hold of attendance figures and how much effort you must be putting in to do so. Keep up the great work!

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1 hour ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Excellent work Ray and hope you don't feel as though I'm criticizing your efforts - I know how difficult it often is to get hold of attendance figures and how much effort you must be putting in to do so. Keep up the great work!

Absolutely no problem. I welcome any suggestions and corrections. I appreciate the kind words too.

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5 hours ago, Yakstorm said:

2019: 1,995,407 attended 473 Games (4,219 Avg)

Those of us who were watching British RL in the mid-1970s will remember when an average crowd of 4219 would have put you amongst the best supported clubs in the country. In 1976-77, only Widnes & Salford averaged more than 5000.

Thanks RayCee for doing this.

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2 hours ago, bamfordsbeans said:

This is good news for the game and I must admit I am surprised.

It also begs the question why crowd figures are not published as widely as they used to be.

I can (just) remember the days when gate receipts were published......

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On 24/09/2019 at 05:42, Yakstorm said:

Great insight, so looking at all clubs across all Leagues, 2019 v 2018 looked like this:

  • Leeds - Up
  • St Helens - Up
  • Wigan - Up
  • Hull FC - Up
  • Warrington - Up
  • Catalans - Up
  • Hull KR - Up
  • Castleford - Down
  • Wakefield - Up
  • Huddersfield - Down
  • Salford - Up
  • London - Up 
  • Widnes - Down
  • Toronto - Up
  • Bradford - Up
  • York - Up
  • Leigh - Down
  • Toulouse - Up
  • Featherstone - Down
  • Halifax - Up
  • Barrow - Up
  • Batley - Up
  • Dewsbury - Up
  • Swinton - Up
  • Sheffield - Up
  • Rochdale - Up
  • Newcastle - Up
  • Workington - Up
  • Whitehaven - Up
  • Keighley - Up
  • Doncaster - Down
  • Oldham - Up
  • Hunslet - Down
  • Skolars - Up
  • Coventry - Up
  • North Wales - Down
  • South Wales - Down

So for 37 clubs, 28 enjoyed YOY increases whilst 9 had drops.  

Looking at aggregates and attendances across the Professional game: 

2018: 1,908,713 attended 500 Games (3,817 Avg)
2019: 1,995,407 attended 473 Games (4,219 Avg)

Overall, that is a real positive for the game.  Not only did averages go (10.5% YOY) up, but so did the aggregate (4.5% YOY) showing more people went to games this year versus 2018, even with one less club and 27 less games.  

Here's hoping that upward trend can continue into 2020. 

Well done, a good report. Seems P&R is the way forward!

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22 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Well done, a good report. Seems P&R is the way forward!

Does that completely prove that P&R is the way forward? 

If that were the case, the Championship and League One attendances would all be up. 

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